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At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
April 18, 2016 at 1:59 pm (This post was last modified: April 18, 2016 at 2:06 pm by downbeatplumb.
Edit Reason: overuse of the word sometimes.
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(April 18, 2016 at 1:41 pm)Cherubim Wrote:
(April 18, 2016 at 1:38 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Science is a system that tries as best it can to stop preconceived beliefs interfering with the facts. Religion is a system that tries to shoehorn the facts to fit beliefs. See the difference.
Lol.
Atheist: Hey look at my wisdom tooth, evolution has made it obsolete.
Christian: There is no such thing as evolution. Evidence shows genetic information is lost over time, not gained. Your wisdom tooth is not fitting where it should because of sin. Man has been genetically deteriorating for thousands of years, losing information along the way.
You wont find a single example of genetic code being added. Not one.
Gonorrhea contains within it part of the human genome, sometimes DNA is transferred between species when they come into close contact.
Wait, what? You "can't take a single one of you seriously"?
What did I do? All I did was point out to you my credentials, those of my (Christian) wife, and explain why the things you think are true are actually (and demonstrably) the result of a propaganda organization that has outright stated that it is willing to do whatever it takes to make people agree with its ideology, and shown you that it is impossible for scientists to have a similar agenda.
And you came back with "not true Christians" and even worse tripe... and you expect us to treat you with kid gloves?
My word, the amount of Privilege the Christians enjoy, where they can expect to be treated with kid gloves when positing ideas that are demonstrably false.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
In your testimony you claim to be able to make gold through alchemy. Since you didn't respond to my original post about gold I'm guessing that you choose to dodge.
So, put up or shut up. Give the process/formula for making gold.
(something tells me that there will be an excuse for why you can't and that I'll just have to believe you)
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(April 18, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Stimbo Wrote: So your god made the whole Universe and everything in it. How? By what mechanism or means? How do you know this and how do we test for it?
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Genesis 1:3
Notice God said.
“Everything owes its existence solely and completely to sound.” - Peter Guy Manners
This is all we have from scripture on how He created it. I do not know, nor does it really matter for salvation.
So the first thing to exist came from sound. If that's the case where did the particles to make sound come from?
(April 18, 2016 at 2:09 pm)RozKek Wrote: So the first thing to exist came from sound. If that's the case where did the particles to make sound come from?
Yes, there seems to have been some kind of godmosphere. He breathed or talked everything into being, after all.
(April 18, 2016 at 12:26 pm)Divinity Wrote: What non-biblical evidence is there for a young earth?
Quote:"Fossil radioactivity shortens geologic "ages" to a few years."
"Radiohalos are rings of color formed around microscopic bits of radioactive minerals in rock crystals. They are fossil evidence of radioactive decay. "Squashed" Polonium-210 radiohalos indicate that Jurassic, Triassic, and Eocene formations in the Colorado plateau were deposited within months of one another, not hundreds of millions of years apart as required by the conventional time scale. "Orphan" Polonium-218 radiohalos, having no evidence of their mother elements, imply accelerated nuclear decay and very rapid formation of associated minerals."
Christians and Atheists all have the same data. We just have a different interpretation of said data. If you think you do not have a belief system, you're very wrong.
Quote:do you have empirically based evidence the makemakes the existence of a god mmore likely than not, or even reasonably likely? If so, what is it?
Many. The obvious one, the King James Bible.
The less obvious is information.
Examples of entities that do contain Information [UDI]:
The Bible
Newspaper
Hieroglyphics
Sheet music
Mathematical formulas
Examples of entities that do not contain Information [UDI] (one or more of the attributes are missing):
A physical star: Lacks a code and lacks meaning because it does not represent something else; it is the physical object that the word star represents.
A physical snowflake: Lacks a code and lacks meaning because it does not represent something else; it is the physical object.
Random sequence of letters: Has a symbol set, but lacks rules for words or grammar (no code). Since it is random, it has no meaning to any sequence of letters.
A physical piano: Lacks meaning because it does not represent something else; it is the physical object.
Fundamental Law 1 (FL1)
A purely material entity, such as physicochemical processes, cannot create a nonmaterial entity. (Something material cannot create something nonmaterial.)
Physical entities include mass and energy (matter). Examples of something that is not material (nonmaterial entity) include thought, spirit, and volition (will).
Fundamental Law 2 (FL2)
Information is a nonmaterial fundamental entity and not a property of matter.
First Law of Information (LI1)
Information cannot originate in statistical processes. (Chance plus time cannot create information no matter how many chances or how much time is available.)
Second Law of Information (LI2)
Information can only originate from an intelligent sender
= God exists.
If that's true and everything happened within months of each other long ago why does it take so long for things to happen now? Things have been slow for the last 2,000 years, don't you think?