Christian answering questions.

[abaris]

Then why do most here quote him and support him and his work.

GC

Most? It rather seems to me like some. Only a handfull I would say without naming names. You certainly can't find any post by me quoting Dawkins, since I wouldn't even know what to quote in the first place.

[Godscreated]

 I didn't fail in any way, I misunderstood what you posted, atheist have been know to claim they are "Brights,'' as a matter of fact atheist came up with this name for themselves, correct? I was assuming that some of the atheist claim to be "Brights" because they go on and on about how much more intelligent than Christians. Most atheist here look down on Christians as if we are stupid, which we're not. What I find ridiculous about atheist, they want to discredit the Bible by using partial verses or trying to connect verses that have nothing to do with each other, they deny the sovereignty of God over His creation and argue not from the Bible but from their opinions. Atheist despise Christians using opinion over science books, why can't Christian have the same reaction without being condemned.

GC

Do you really want me to go back and dig up the post where you said "and you call yourselves brights" (in context, referring to posters here).  Actually, I don't need to do that, because I'm looking at it right now.

I did not deny I said that, and said I assumed that some here identified as such.

Your explanation above is at odds with what you said.  You'd really rather backpedal from what you said, rather than admit you were wrong?

 I hope I have explained things to satisfy you.

GC

[Losty]

What's your stance on female cats doing male turtle in the butt? Morally ok or not morally ok?

 That's so stupid it doesn't deserve an answer.

GC

Yet you responded anyways

I just want to know if I can do Hammy in the turtle butt without being smited down by god

[Crossless2.0]

Oooooooooooooooooh, okay. So it's part of GC's personal crusade to show that we're all disciples of Richard Dawkins? Rockin'.

Then why do most here quote him and support him and his work.

GC

Most quote him? Really? Care to substantiate that claim, or should we toss it on the bonfire with all of the other unsubstantiated claims you routinely make?

As for supporting his work, why wouldn't we? He's a biologist who has spent a lot of time trying to teach people about the state of his profession. Nothing wrong with that. And it certainly isn't his fault if your religious self-programming has made you immune to reality. As Nietzsche (you know, that guy you like to mention but have never read) wrote: If a head and a book come into contact and one makes a hollow sound, is it necessarily the book?

As regards Dawkins being a "spokesman" for atheism . . . meh. I don't require spokespeople to know that you and people like you don't have the goods. If you did, you wouldn't resort to such insane contortions to avoid offering it up. Instead, with you it's a constant refrain of "I know I'm right; I just know it!" Impressive, GC. Your witness is invaluable -- just not in the way you intend.

[KevinM1]

 That's so stupid it doesn't deserve an answer.

GC

Yet you responded anyways

I just want to know if I can do Hammy in the turtle butt without being smited down by god

...do you need a cameraman?

[Godscreated]

 Correct you were never a Christian.

GC

I prayed and studied the Bible, went to church three times a week for over 40 years.  I went to a Protestant Christian School.  I have most of the wholly babble memorized.  I prayed constantly from time when I was instructed how to - - for help and to hear the voice of god.  

And you, who don't know me, know nothing about me, tell me I never was a Christian.  You are a complete and utter asshole.  - - And you wonder why all of your preaching at us earns you nothing but contempt.  It's because you are a contemptible waste of oxygen.

 You weren't unless you're still believe God is real and are hiding it, if you had most of the Bible memorized and were a Christian you would know the Bible says what I'm saying. If you have truly denied God's existence, then you were never a Christian and again the Bible supports what I'm saying. If you were a Christian you would have had a real relationship with Christ, knowing He is real and in that you could not deny Him. Right?

GC

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Put bones in the ground and wait to see what happens, that's what happened to the T-Rex wasn't it. It wasn't set on a self and protected from nature. What I was actually referring to was the preparation of the experiment, the T-Rex didn't have that advantage to preserve his red blood cells, what happens in a lab is man made not a natural process, you may say it mimics the process but mimic doesn't replace the real process in nature.

You're seriously suggesting that the only way to figure out a natural mechanism is to wait 70 million* years? That's like saying if I drop a ball in a vacuum and measure its speed, I'm not "really" conducting scientific experimentation because it's under laboratory conditions. Lab conditions are used to eliminate other variables which might contaminate the result (in that case, atmospheric drag on the falling object), and they don't mean that labs are some magical place where the laws of physics/chemistry which occur in the lab are not the same as the ones outside the lab.

* Edit to Add: I rounded. It's actually 68 million years, which you would have known if you had read the article I posted about Dr. Schweitzer. Your "100 million years" remark was one of the giveaways to me that you had not read it.

Tell me why is this process not present in all other T-Rex. Was this one special for some reason?

The same reason fossilization itself is rare, and so we don't find fossils of every creature that ever lived. There are many and varied conditions at each site. The conditions for this one fossil just happened to be right for that particular natural event to occur. Secondly, it may be more common than we know-- scientists happened to accidentally break this femur, which is why the material was found. They don't make a habit of breaking rare and precious fossils.

The experiment isn't done for another 99 million years and out in nature. I use to do taxidermy and to clean skulls and other bones I wanted to keep I put them in the wood behind me and in two weeks the little critters that are there for cleaning up dead things would completely clean a skull, nothing left, I mean nothing. If I hadn't protected them with a cage the larger critters would have eaten the bones for calcium, nature is destructive for a reason, it's a cleaning and reclaiming process not a preservation process.

Yep. That's another reason fossils are so rare, compared to the number of creatures that have existed. You're getting it!

 You weren't, a Christian is a believer in the Christ and one want ever leave what they know to be so awesome, if you were a Christian you would have had a living relationship with Christ and would never been able to deny Him. This is biblical requirement of being a Christian, so unless you are still a believer and hiding it you were never a Christian. I know I'm a Christian, I would never give up what I know as the truth from the One who promised to reveal it to me. I also noticed you said you thought you were a Christian, I read doubt in that statement, I also noticed you never mentioned having a personal relationship with Christ. What new information could there be when if you were a Christian, Christ would have given you truth that no one could refute, what you are calling "thick headed" about me is the result of the revelation of Christ's truth in my life. So don't be astounded, be curious as to why I have stood strong on this site for six plus years and getting stronger all the time. Christianity hasn't insulated me from learning nor questioning God about certain things, I studied and still do to learn and I question to learn and all the new information I have obtained still strengthen me.

Nothing you said here is surprising to me, but it does make me sad to see such prejudice expressed so clearly. The fact that you have to call it "doubt" when I tell you I used to think something that I no longer thought is particularly telling.

Try to think of it this way. I dated a woman for many years, and was madly in love with her. I believed she was madly in love with me until I found photos on her computer (she forgot to log out on her way to work, and I saw them when attempting to log her out and shut down the computer) of her having group sex in our bed, while I was out on the road working as a field biologist. With this new information, I realized that she did not reciprocate my love, as I once thought, and in time I came to realize that I was in love with an imaginary figure and not the real woman. What you are essentially doing is telling me that I was never in love with her, simply because I'm not in love with her now.

My only real challenge to science is that which deny's creation, why, because it's only speculation as to the beginning and many very intelligent Christian scientist have given counter evidence to main stream science and it's rejected and refused to be published to squash anything counter to much of unproven science on the universe. I out right reject evolution because the science behind it is flawed and opinionated and the scientist refuse to consider other ideas and thought's. I listen to the objections to God and His word and have shown many times on this site how wrong atheist have been about scripture verses and ideas, you trust in science, I trust in the Creator who knows the truth.

Um, nope. There is no such thing as "mainstream science", in the context you're using it. There's performing the Scientific Method, and there's pseudoscience. The people to whom you refer are doing the latter, and many people in the scientific community (many of them Christians, themselves) have stepped forward to explain why that is so... Kenneth Miller and Francis Collins come to mind, offhand. Far from "refusing to consider" the Creationists' claims, they go out of their way to consider and then refute them. You're simply not listening because you prefer the claims of the Creationists, which validate your pre-existing beliefs. The HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Christians who are biologists have no problem with evolution, and see evolution as the mechanism of creation... thus, Creation is an ongoing process, and not something done magically all-at-once, then stopping.

Until you can explain why so many devout Christians are outspoken evolutionary biologists (as I said, since I'm from the deep South, most of the biologists and other scientists I've known in my life, including my mentors and professors, and my co-workers and colleagues, were Christians), you'll have a really hard time convincing anyone that the bias is not entirely yours.

[KevinM1]

I'm really tempted to start referring to GC as CB, for Confirmation Bias.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I'm really tempted to start referring to GC as CB, for Confirmation Bias.

I find his claims both sad and hilarious, since my favorite professor in college was a Christian who not only taught me almost everything I know about dimensional physics and the Big Bang (or whatever it's being called now), but literally begged me to come to church with him almost every time we met, after I revealed to him that I had become a nonbeliever.

I would love to track him down and show him GC's claims, here.

[IATIA]

From what I understand, your god sent it's words to us that we would understand and no qualifications were made other than believe it or go to hell.

Good statement, you just proved the necessity of the Holy Spirit's guidance to understand scripture. Actually though this is a idea that can be understood through just reading, if you cared to ever do that, if not then you should refrain from making false statements about scripture.

GC

I have read the bible from cover to cover.  This is how I know that if there were a god, it had nothing to do with the bible and he bible has nothing to do with god.  As I have said on countless occasions, if there is any truth at to the bible, it is simply a history of men parading around as gods in an effort to control the populace.  I have also read the majority of your posts attempting to twist and contort the contents of the bible to suit your needs.  If there were a god, it would be 100000000000+ times better than that warmongering tyrant in that piece of shit you so desperately cling to and defend.