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RE: Does Jesus Mythicism give atheism a bad name?
May 19, 2016 at 11:49 am
(May 19, 2016 at 10:59 am)Rhythm Wrote: As was pointed out to you then, you might want to read those studies a little closer, or read the reviews of those studies. Then, maybe, you might want to take a look at the claim -you- made, on their backs.
And as I pointed out to you, what I cited above was Level I evidence. The only thing that can discredit it is another Level I study that has a contradictory finding (which is not usually likely), or if you can show there is a high risk of bias in the review. And even then there are dozens more of them in Pubmed, so don't be disingenuous and try to claim that every single systematic review written by different researchers, accepted into academic Journals, entered into the MEDLINE database are not valid. FYI, two of the studies I cited above are highly influential (top 5% of reviews), which you would have know had you checked before claiming that they're BS. You're not entitled to your own truth Rhythm.
Your post brings me nicely back to my point. Why should you expect Christians to make evidence-based decisions if you are not willing to do the same?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Does Jesus Mythicism give atheism a bad name?
May 19, 2016 at 11:55 am
From your first 'study."
Quote:Conclusion: This review found that physician enquiry into the religion and/or spirituality of patients is inconsistent in frequency and nature and that in order to meet patient needs, barriers to discussion need to be overcome.
Translation. Doctors are too busy dealing with reality to waste time on fairy tales. That's why they let priests into hospitals.
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RE: Does Jesus Mythicism give atheism a bad name?
May 19, 2016 at 11:56 am
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2016 at 12:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Do you think we're having the same conversation, you and I, Aractus? I know that the studies you pointed to exist. Why do you think I'm disagreeing with them, rather than you? How will pointing to those studies establish the claim you made...and what use is a TQ in -anything-?
Seems to me, that you felt the need to have a mound of "whatever" to point to...and hoped that the simple existence of the mound would keep anyone from questioning your claims. Bit like a historical jesus, come to think of it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Does Jesus Mythicism give atheism a bad name?
May 19, 2016 at 8:51 pm
(This post was last modified: May 20, 2016 at 5:01 am by Aractus.)
You might think you "know" about things, but you don't at all comprehend them or understand their implications. The WHO has spent the last 30 years defending and expanding upon the principles of the Ottawa Charter - it tells you right away that TQ is relevant in health. If that's not enough, others have directly branched from it to develop other high-level theories in health (see the SDoH or anything written by Marmot in the past decade and published in a Journal, or view one of his many presentations available on Youtube). Ignoring academic advancements made in health is no different to Christians ignoring academic advancements made in history and science. These theories that I'm talking about, which provide the very theoretical framework where religion itself can provide benefits, are used by government agencies in policy-making. They're not ignored, they're not fringe theories, they're not based on hocus-pocus or low quality studies. In fact you will find plenty of examples where the theories are specifically mentioned by government agencies as guiding practise.
There are disciplines where you could potentially be expelled for holding your views for being incompatible with evidence-based practise. And of course, people in serious healthcare disciplines do get expelled for that very reason (doctors, surgeons, psychologists, psychiatrists, nurses, carers, dieticians, nutritionists, youth workers, public health workers, etc, etc, etc). Here's an example, I laughed when I saw that page. Of course the bitch was expelled for not following evidence-based practise, and that's not at all surprising since so many people go into the dietetic discipline with strongly held beliefs, and refuse to accept new findings (noting that it's a rapidly advancing science); and the DAA has clear guidelines for practise (see this example) so of course if you refuse to follow them you will be expelled! Lawyers, police officers, military, aviation, and many other non-health related disciplines are also areas where people can get disbarred/expelled for misconduct. You really don't seem to understand or comprehend the seriousness of your wilfully ignorant views.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Does Jesus Mythicism give atheism a bad name?
May 19, 2016 at 11:03 pm
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2016 at 11:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I think we've already discussed those willfully ignorant views of mine. Anything else?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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