Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?

[FatAndFaithless]

I'm leaning that way towards the term "regressive left" as well.  The terms are used so broadly by so many different people in so many different circumstances that they have about as much meaning as the word "spiritual" does to me.

For me, it's simply an indication that the person using the term simply doesn't want to have an actual discussion.  It's pejorative, and thus limiting.  We can do better with our terminology.

The thing that gets me is that two people can use the term "regressive left" to describe two very different situations.  
For example, lets say there's a news story about a teacher who calls one of his/her students a racial slur, a student is offended, reports it, and the teacher is fired.  

Lets say there's also a news story about a teacher that assigns a reading from a controversial book because it provides insight into a certain philosophical topic, a student is offended, reports it, and the teacher is fired.


I would say that in the first situation, the school is justified; a teacher that uses racial slurs towards their students has no business teaching.  I would not consider this an example of the "regressive left."  In the second situation, the school is not justified; a student is using offense to avoid encountering viewpoints that differ from their own.  I would probably accept this as an example of the "regressive left" if such a definition was given to me.

The problem is that there are people who would call both situations or neither situation an example of the "regressive left."  It's a term with no concrete meaning that can be used to describe any situation with which one disagrees. I think much the same of "SJW" and "spiritual."

[MJ the Skeptical]

I think framing any sort of "Atheist community vs. SJW/Feminist" debate is completely inaccurate.

However, there is a large portion of the YouTube Atheist community that is largely against SJW/feminist mentality.

[FatAndFaithless]

I think framing any sort of "Atheist community vs. SJW/Feminist" debate is completely inaccurate.

However, there is a large portion of the YouTube Atheist community that is largely against SJW/feminist mentality.

I'm probably going to regret asking this... but can you please define the "SJW/Feminist mentality"?

[MJ the Skeptical]

I refuse to take anyone who uses the term 'SJW' seriously.

Those who take the term or those who use the term for others? Big distinction between those two things right?

[MJ the Skeptical]

I refuse to take anyone who uses the term 'SJW' seriously.

I'm leaning that way towards the term "regressive left" as well.  The terms are used so broadly by so many different people in so many different circumstances that they have about as much meaning as the word "spiritual" does to me.

I can easily define Regressive Leftist to you (as a left winger type myself). To me, it's those who take the label of a liberal or leftist but are regressive in many aspects of their thinking.

[FatAndFaithless]

I'm leaning that way towards the term "regressive left" as well.  The terms are used so broadly by so many different people in so many different circumstances that they have about as much meaning as the word "spiritual" does to me.

To me, it's those who take the label of a liberal or leftist but are regressive in many aspects of their thinking.

That's an extremely vague definition.

[MJ the Skeptical]

However, there is a large portion of the YouTube Atheist community that is largely against SJW/feminist mentality.

I'm probably going to regret asking this... but can you please define the "SJW/Feminist mentality"?

Look up what SJW and what Feminist means and you'll see what I mean when I use those terms. Unless you want to unpack those terms in which case ask a more poignant question.

[MJ the Skeptical]

To me, it's those who take the label of a liberal or leftist but are regressive in many aspects of their thinking.

That's an extremely vague definition.

Yeah, you get vague answers to vague questions, congrats.

[FatAndFaithless]

That's an extremely vague definition.

Yeah, you get vague answers to vague questions, congrats.

That's my entire point.  It's an incredibly vague label that people can apply to anything they don't like.

[FatAndFaithless]

I'm probably going to regret asking this... but can you please define the "SJW/Feminist mentality"?

Look up what SJW and what Feminist means and you'll see what I mean when I use those terms. Unless you want to unpack those terms in which case ask a more poignant question.

You're the one that mentioned that 'mentality,' and I know different people have different definitions of those terms.  I'm asking you how you're using them.