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Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
#31
RE: Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
As long as there are xtians around pretending that their horseshit is real, the argument...I won't call it a debate...will go on.

Fortunately, their numbers are declining rapidly.
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#32
RE: Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
I'd describe a lot of people on here as social justice warriors but I doubt they would describe themselves as that, people who believe white privilege is a phrase that can be definitely explained as something that exists, people who believe pedophiles deserve a chance at getting jobs in childcare, and people who say things that sound cool and liberal but make little sense, like people's previous sex lives don't matter and peoples past does t matter nothing matters, it's all cool man.

I personally have given up on arguing about Christianity because I got bored of it, I'm very appreciative of the atheists who do keep up the good work and argue against Christians though. To me it's like weeding the garden, it's kind of easy to do but boring as fuck and if no one did it the garden would regress back into a jungle.
It's necessary but it's not brave, like I'd say youtubers and comedians who tackle Islam are way more brave and pioneering than those who make fun of Christianity.
And some of the people who I'm grateful to for keeping up with the good arguments against Christianity are the same people I'd call social justice warriors on other issues.


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#33
RE: Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
(May 25, 2016 at 12:59 pm)robvalue Wrote: Theists can't even tell me why I should give a shit, so it's all kind of moot after that.
It is up to each person to decide in their heart if he or she needs a savior, i.e. to "give a shit". The only role of the Christian Missionary to make people aware of the Gospel so that people can decide for themselves whether or not to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.
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#34
RE: Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
(May 25, 2016 at 3:55 pm)Lek Wrote: I came into this forum fairly naive about my ability to convince someone to believe in God and christianity through a scientific or historical method.  I came to the realization that there is no scientific proof for or against God, so we just come away from the argument with no conclusion.  As far as history shows, I believe much of the new testament to be written by eyewitnesses, which is backed by many, but not all historians.  Atheists choose to believe those who do not accept my conclusion.  I've discussed scientific evidence that points to the need for a creator, but an atheist will say that it could be many things besides God.  I've come to be able to view and be sympathetic to both sides of the argument.  I've even come to accept that we have developed through an evolutionary process.  

I've studied the evidence and I still believe in God and see him in creation.  I also perceive him to be at work in my life.  I do believe that the universe was designed by God and that Jesus walked the earth and did what the bible says he did.  I trust the witnesses.  If I am in conversation with someone who is an atheist or isn't a christian, the way I talk will allow that person to know that I'm a christian.  Sometimes the person wants to get into that and other times they don't, in which case we don't go there.  For now, I don't think that there is much value in the scientific debate since christians can't scientifically prove God and christians and the bible are compatible.  I guess it can point out that atheists tend to accept certain conclusions that are not scientifically verifiable, i.e., abiogenesis, but it's still not proving God.  

I do think that a respectable debate is very helpful.  I look at participating in these forums is one of the best things that ever happened to me.  It's opened me up to the logical arguments against christianity and made me thoroughly assess my reasons for believing.  It's also made me more sympathetic towards those who believe differently than myself.  Sometimes we don't look at each other as real people.

I agree with the sentiments, good post Smile

I won't go through and analyse what you've said as we've done it all before. But I think your general outlook on atheism vs theism is pretty good. You are one of the few theists I have seen develop themselves during their time here.

I always look at everyone like a real person, which is why I wish theists would engage us more in topics outside of theistic head-bashing. Sadly very few here do.
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#35
RE: Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
(May 25, 2016 at 2:24 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You've been replying to my posts about the regressive left... perhaps you should be more careful with which posts you quote.  Either way, you said you can 'easily' provide a definition for "regressive left" and I said that it was an extremely vague and ultimately useless definition.

In regards to "SJW/Feminist" mentality, I asked you to define the way you're using those as well, which you haven't done.

Who gives a flying fuck what you want answered when you didn't answer my original inquiry. You sound like a butthurt SJW that wants to play dictionary instead of having a discussion like we know what words mean. Thanks for your complete lack of substance brought to the thread. I see the question is a bit hard for you so I may ask you again. Has the debate within the Atheist community at least on Youtube focused on battling Feminism/SJW's or is it still focused on Religion? because I see a massive uprising against feminists and SJW's there with big Atheist channels taking that stance as well.
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#36
RE: Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
(May 25, 2016 at 2:58 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:
(May 25, 2016 at 2:06 pm)MJ the Skeptical Wrote: Those who take the term or those who use the term for others? Big distinction between those two things right?

What do you mean by "those who take the term?"  I've never seen anyone describe themselves as a social justice warrior.

So this is your argument from personal incredulity then I see?
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#37
RE: Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
(June 6, 2016 at 4:43 am)MJ the Skeptical Wrote:
(May 25, 2016 at 2:58 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: What do you mean by "those who take the term?"  I've never seen anyone describe themselves as a social justice warrior.

So this is your argument from personal incredulity then I see?

No, it's a request for clarification combined with a statement of observation.
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#38
RE: Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
(May 25, 2016 at 11:56 am)MJ the Skeptical Wrote: I think it has with the Atheism vs. Christianity anyway, at least on places like YouTube where the great debate community is all but gone or has moved on. I feel like at least on YouTube the Atheism community has shifted more towards debating the SJW/Feminist movement or even Islam for some Atheist YouTubers than formal debates anymore. What with the SJW's trying to mix their ideologies with Atheism/Secularism or in Islam's case trying to force western societies like those within Europe to conform to Islamic law. Do you think this shift in debate is happening? And if so, do you think it's a more use of time to argue the social, political and global issues than arguing about mythology?

Let's see it was never a debate from the start it never has for thousands of years since religion existed.
You have a belief system that is based on faith not even evidence vs a world view grounded in reality. 
Reality vs fantasy reality wins all the time.
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#39
RE: Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
(June 6, 2016 at 11:16 am)dyresand Wrote:
(May 25, 2016 at 11:56 am)MJ the Skeptical Wrote: I think it has with the Atheism vs. Christianity anyway, at least on places like YouTube where the great debate community is all but gone or has moved on

What debate?  Which god?  Ra, thor, superman, odin?
Religious nuts would like everyone to think there is a debate.
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#40
RE: Has the Atheism vs. Theism debate played it's course?
Yeah. People can debate anything, it doesn't mean there's any point to it, or any real controversy.

Gods have never amounted to anything other than unnecessary assumptions, with optional attached stories.

Once they spill over into reality in some way, I'll be interested in studying them.
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