Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god

[Esquilax]

[Kitan Etos]

Sometimes I wish I had you at work with me, Esq. I consider myself relatively adequate in debating, but I have lately found myself stumped when conversing with this one guy at work. I can counter his arguments, somewhat, and then he quickly produces a counter argument that is relatively difficult to automatically refute. His mind seems to work extremely fast, and I believe it has to do with the fact that he has the great potential to one day be a scary cult leader. When he talks to customers at work, they literally believe and accept his insanity as though it is wisdom.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Except that you haven't shown the Universe = God. Untick that box and get back to work, this time without using  unfounded claims.

Allow the definition that god means a universal mind, then yes that's easily proven.

In other words, accept your premise without a demonstration of its veracity?

Yeah, no.

[IATIA]

Allow the definition that god means a universal mind, then yes that's easily proven.

[Blueyedlion]

Constable Dorfl

"You must first prove that this attribute exists" What is always present, the universe. tick.

The existence of the universe proves god in the same fashion it proves invisible pink unicorns. It doesn't prove either.

If you believe god is the universe you need to provide compelling, independent, verifialbe and falsifiable evidece supoorting your case. Pointing at the universe and shouting "there's god!" is as useful as me pointing at a bowl of icecream as evidence for Jack Frost.

Pretty sure i don't have the scientific background applicable to sufficiency sell you a promising god theory.

So instead I'll just use logic, and in doing so ill reaffirm the depth of what it means for a god to be omni present, omni-being and omni-everywhere which implies god is never absent from anything and anyone. So in other words let's hypothetically say there is a god and it is -

Present in all moments of time. Moments of time you experience as you, and all moments of time everyone else experiences as them.
Everywhere in every parts of space. Your body, your environment and everyone's body and environment.
Being as everyone. Being as you as you are right now and everyone else.

So let's deconstruct the personal implications of what this means to yourself shall we -

Imagine as you are right now, you're god... That means that everybody and everything, in all of space and time is within you and us all. The whole infinite universe is literately your very being. And everything you see from your body to people walking down the street, to the violence in the middle east, to the furthermost reaches of stars you can see and beyond are only a external representation, a reflection, a mirror of you. And every moment that you interact with the reflection of yourself, the more that reveals about who you already are.

In this way of thinking, are you absent from yourself? Is space, is time? Since these three things are you right now - You are space, time, being. The next question is, how can time separate itself from itself? or space? ...or being...

I'll leave the rest up to you.

[Homeless Nutter]

Pretty sure i don't have the scientific background applicable to sufficiency sell you a promising god theory.

So instead I'll just use logic

I really, really doubt that...

and in doing so ill reaffirm the depth of what it means for a god to be omni present, omni-being and omni-everywhere which implies god is never absent from anything and anyone. So in other words let's hypothetically say there is a god and it is -

Present in all moments of time. Moments of time you experience as you, and all moments of time everyone else experiences as them.
Everywhere in every parts of space. Your body, your environment and everyone's body and environment.
Being as everyone. Being as you as you are right now and everyone else.

So let's deconstruct the personal implications of what this means to yourself shall we -

Imagine as you are right now, you're god... That means that everybody and everything, in all of space and time is within you and us all. The whole infinite universe is literately your very being. And everything you see from your body to people walking down the street, to the violence in the middle east, to the furthermost reaches of stars you can see and beyond are only a external representation, a reflection, a mirror of you. And every moment that you interact with the reflection of yourself, the more that reveals about who you already are.

In this way of thinking, are you absent from yourself? Is space, is time? Since these three things are you right now - You are space, time, being. The next question is, how can time separate itself from itself? or space? ...or being...

I'll leave the rest up to you.

Uhm... Still waiting for the logic bit. I was really looking forward to it, alas - yet another disapointment. All this are just assertions, meaningless, but pleasantly sounding platitudes and some stuff you imagined. I guess your background in logic is not particularly extensive either, huh?...

[Pat Mustard]

Constable Dorfl

"You must first prove that this attribute exists" What is always present, the universe. tick.

The existence of the universe proves god in the same fashion it proves invisible pink unicorns. It doesn't prove either.

If you believe god is the universe you need to provide compelling, independent, verifialbe and falsifiable evidece supoorting your case. Pointing at the universe and shouting "there's god!" is as useful as me pointing at a bowl of icecream as evidence for Jack Frost.

Pretty sure i don't have the scientific background applicable to sufficiency sell you a promising god theory.

So instead I'll just use logic, and in doing so ill reaffirm the depth of what it means for a god to be omni present, omni-being and omni-everywhere which implies god is never absent from anything and anyone. So in other words let's hypothetically say there is a god and it is -

Present in all moments of time. Moments of time you experience as you, and all moments of time everyone else experiences as them.
Everywhere in every parts of space. Your body, your environment and everyone's body and environment.
Being as everyone. Being as you as you are right now and everyone else.

So let's deconstruct the personal implications of what this means to yourself shall we -

Imagine as you are right now, you're god... That means that everybody and everything, in all of space and time is within you and us all. The whole infinite universe is literately your very being. And everything you see from your body to people walking down the street, to the violence in the middle east, to the furthermost reaches of stars you can see and beyond are only a external representation, a reflection, a mirror of you. And every moment that you interact with the reflection of yourself, the more that reveals about who you already are.

In this way of thinking, are you absent from yourself? Is space, is time? Since these three things are you right now - You are space, time, being. The next question is, how can time separate itself from itself? or space? ...or being...

I'll leave the rest up to you.

You still haven't answered my question: How do you get to all that bullshit from science, as you previously asserted?

I'm not going to critique your reply, simply because there is nothing contained therein, just circular logic, bald assertion and your personal prejudice, nothing worth engaging with.

[Redbeard The Pink]

"Quantum Entanglement?"

And what do you think that means, exactly?


Did this motherfucker just come to this board and Chopra? Is he seriously trying to Chopra this place up right now?


Please.

[robvalue]

Even if the universe is conscious, or some bullshit like that, what am I meant to do about it?

Until we have any idea how it might "feel" about different things, or any way to communicate with it, what use is that information?

[Blueyedlion]

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It's not supposed to be an objective fact, i never once said or implied it was, that was you assuming. There is no such thing as an objective fact, objectivity doesn't exist. All facts are based on purely subjective experiences. When i say, there is no right or wrong, you are then interpreting that is some universal truth. A truth has ot be a positive claim. I'm simply showing what doesn't exist, revealing what's left. The concept that everything universally is subjective is still not an objective truth.

Well then why are you trumpeting all these eccentric 'facts' when they are only such to you?  It surely seems you're not finding much agreement here and, in my case, even less understanding of what any of it means.  Why, for example, assert that the universe = god?  I don't agree with you.  My subjective 'facts' don't align with yours and frankly your's seem a bit whack.

I assume all these revelations of yours are newish (for you), yes?  You seem rather overwhelmed by it all.  My recommendation is that you just let go of this stuff.  If it means anything at all, it doesn't need you to promote it.  Were these revelations drug induced?  If so, you've got to let go and quit identifying with all this shit so closely.  Or, sincerely, if you normally take meds for the sake of your psychiatric health and haven't been keeping up: do so.  It can help you to let the ideas flow and not get bogged down in the specialness of each one.  Right now its like you're just grabbing each idea and clutching hard to it and letting it take over.  You're not the idea.  You're supposed to be the place where ideas pass through.  They can't do that if you get all grabby about them.  Peace.

"when they are only such to you?" It's simply advice for a way of thinking and behaving. There is no one structure that can fit everyone as a whole for people are that diverse from eachother. So the judgement we apply collectively can not be applied in reality since it is based on a false premise that our individual needs our relevant to each other as a whole. Not true. You are only relevant to you and the people only you interact with. So when you apply the values of small interactions between people to the rest of the populous you get a suppression of self under the beliefs of others, or just chaos of revolt until the next uniform structure replaces it.

So this concept frees you from conforming and allows you to free yourself to only be you're truest self. This actually goes into god type stuff later down the track but i wont get into that now.

I don't agree with you. My subjective 'facts' don't align with yours and frankly your's seem a bit whack.

Well of course they seem whack, you cant relate, you don't believe.

i assume all these revelations of yours are newish.

Nope. Though i have only began talking about them with others only very recently. This place helps to clean up any ideas that need refining, which they have so far here quite a bit

you seem rather overwhelmed by it all.

No im just very confident in my beliefs and i like talking about them.

Were these revelations drug induced?

Have never taken drugs in my life, don't even drink...

if you normally take meds for the sake of your psychiatric health and haven't been keeping up

Dude that's hilarity! 'i cant understand where you're coming from so it must be drugs or you're mentality bugged.' Nice one...