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Hell and God cant Co-exist.
#41
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 2:04 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: It was a serious question..I'm asking a childish question to poke holes in your childish beliefs.

No, you are just acting like a child.
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#42
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 2:04 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: It was a serious question. You won't answer it because either you have to say yes or say that God is not omnipresent. I'm asking a childish question to poke holes in your childish beliefs.

He already answered:

(June 2, 2016 at 12:47 pm)SteveII Wrote: The supposed paradox is created by not understanding omnipresence. God is present everywhere in the sense that he knows what is happening and sustains his creation in being. That would apply to Hell as well. 

Yes, we believe God knows what is happening in every inch of your body, if that wasn't already made clear to you in the bolded above. Your question doesn't "poke a hole" at all.

You asked a "childish question", as you put it yourself, to make fun of his beliefs. I'm not sure how you can call that a serious question in the same breath. I don't blame him for not wasting his time entertaining someone who's only purpose is to be condescending and has no interested in actual discussion but just here to be a pompous ass hole. Congratulations. 

Anyway, I should follow suit.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#43
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-hell-there-is


Seems like the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.


Quote:The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs" (CCC 1035).



Can't tell if they just want to cover all the bases or they can't get their story straight.
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#44
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
I know that the moon is orbiting the Earth, doesn't mean I'm on the moon.
I am John Cena's hip-hop album.
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#45
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 2:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(June 2, 2016 at 2:04 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: It was a serious question. You won't answer it because either you have to say yes or say that God is not omnipresent. I'm asking a childish question to poke holes in your childish beliefs.

He already answered:

(June 2, 2016 at 12:47 pm)SteveII Wrote: The supposed paradox is created by not understanding omnipresence. God is present everywhere in the sense that he knows what is happening and sustains his creation in being. That would apply to Hell as well. 
[...]

Funny, that - because that's NOT what omnipresent means. He just made up his own definition that suits him - and perhaps other irrational people - but is meaningless and useless for anyone else.

omnipresent
ɒmnɪˈprɛz(ə)nt/
adjective

  1. (of God) present everywhere at the same time.

See - nothing about "knowing what's happening". What he is - and you are - talking about is "omniscience". Try to keep your magical nonsense straight, would you? Else we're bound to think you're making it up as it's convenient for you.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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#46
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 9:59 am)Drich Wrote: You may not understand this but there is a vast difference between the God described by the bible, and the god who has been created by the religions of men.

"You may not understand this but there is a vast difference between the god described by the crayon, and the god who has been created by the religions of men."

They are exactly the same thing. All gods are created by man and no gods exist.
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#47
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 2:29 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Funny, that - because that's NOT what omnipresent means. He just made up his own definition that suits him - and perhaps other irrational people - but is meaningless and useless for anyone else.

omnipresent
ɒmnɪˈprɛz(ə)nt/
adjective

  1. (of God) present everywhere at the same time.

See - nothing about "knowing what's happening". What he is - and you are - talking about is "omniscience". Try to keep your magical nonsense straight, would you? Else we're bound to think you're making it up as it's convenient for you.

Do you think there might be more to the concept than the 6 word phrase you got from an internet dictionary entry? I found this in literally 60 seconds:

Judeo-Christian beliefs constitute a third opinion on omnipresence. To both mainstream Jewish and Christian religions, God is omnipresent. However, the major difference between these monotheistic religions and other religious systems is that God is still transcendent to His creation and yet immanent in relating to creation. God is not immersed in the substance of creation, even though he is able to interact with it as he chooses. He cannot be excluded from any location or object in creation.[6] God's presence is continuous throughout all of creation, though it may not be revealed in the same way at the same time to people everywhere. At times, he may be actively present in a situation, while he may not reveal that he is present in another circumstance in some other area. The Bible states that God can be both present to a person in a manifest manner (Psalm 46:1, Isaiah 57:15) as well as being present in every situation in all of creation at any given time (Psalm 33:13-14). Specifically, Oden states (pg. 68-69) that the Bible shows that God can be present in every aspect of human life:
  • God is naturally present in every aspect of the natural order, in every level of causality, every fleeting moment and momentous event of natural history...(Psalm 8:3, Isaiah 40:12, Nahum 1:3)
  • God is actively present in a different way in every event in history as provident guide of human affairs (Psalm 48:7)
  • God is in a special way attentively present to those who call upon his name, intercede for others, who adore God, who petition, who pray earnestly for forgiveness (Gospel of Matthew 18:19, Book of Acts 17:27)
  • God is judicially present in moral awareness, through conscience (Psalm 48:1-2, Epistle to the Romans 1:20)
  • God is bodily present in the incarnation of his Son, Jesus Christ (Gospel of John 1:14, Colossians 2:9)
  • God is mystically present in the Eucharist, and through the means of grace in the church, the body of Christ (Ephesians 2:12, John 6:56)
  • God is sacredly present and becomes known in special places where God chooses to meet us, places that become set apart by the faithful remembering community (1 Corinthians 11:23-29) where it may said: "Truly the Lord is in this place" (Genesis 28:16, Matthew 18:20)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipresen...al_origins

Perhaps there is something in there that you would like to reasonably discuss?
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#48
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
You want to reasonably discuss delusions?  I think I see your problem.
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#49
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 2:21 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I know that the moon is orbiting the Earth, doesn't mean I'm on the moon.

You're thinking of it in terms of the material world though.  

Remember, we believe God is in an entirely different dimension all together and isn't bound by the laws of time or space. No, God isn't "physically present" in your butt hole as you would be or wouldn't be on the moon. You know the moon is orbiting the Earth, but you can't see all of it all at once at all times and don't know what is happening on it at every second, so that's not comparable either. We believe God is a much more advanced being than us and so He is capable of things that we cannot even fully comprehend. Just as a chicken cannot comprehend concepts that we as humans can.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#50
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 2:52 pm)SteveII Wrote: Perhaps there is something in there that you would like to reasonably discuss?

My hat is off to you, Steve. Your patience for suffering fools is truly impressive. Cannot help but notice how the atheists lately have been getting their collective asses handed to them on a plate on the philosophical issues. Thank you for showing them what ignorant and petulant children they are being.
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