(June 6, 2016 at 11:31 am)dyresand Wrote: The idea of getting punished for eternity isn't that scary whats more scary is being in paradise for eternityThat' not an accurate depiction of heaven and hell as described in the Bible. It sounds like it came from some other fairy tale.
but with that it comes with a price of eternal worshiping god. Then also this place would be perfect that itself is terrible
were people we don't like perfect at all so to put it like so we would all be the same in some sort of hive mind of worshipers. I haven't even touched the worst part we don't get to do the things we do on earth in heaven like eat drink or even sleep and not to mention we will have no free will in heaven. Then what about.. the unborn and toddlers that would be the majority of heaven. Also in heaven you get a good view of people getting tortured in hell and since you have no free will you would be happy that is sadism on a epic level. So yeah a eternity of worship and singing songs watching people getting punished and being happy about it.. forever.. Hell it is much more of a pleasant place than heaven.
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Hell isn't scary
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As with many things in the bible, heaven and hell are up to interpretation.
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10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html (June 6, 2016 at 6:38 pm)Chad32 Wrote: As with many things in the bible, heaven and hell are up to interpretation. And as with interpretation, it is not fact but merely opinion.
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~ Erin Hunter (June 6, 2016 at 6:38 pm)Chad32 Wrote: As with many things in the bible, heaven and hell are up to interpretation.Actually the Bible describes heaven and hell in detail. Hell is temporary. Even if you are in hell you will get out on Judgment Day. You will then get a ticket to the golden cube or be tossed into the lake of fire. The lake of fire isn't hell. Hell will be tossed into the lake of fire with death. The problem with making it into the golden cube is that you have to be a member of one of the twelve tribes of Israel. You must pass through one of the tribal gates. So if you aren't a member you won't get in. The golden cube sits on a new planet that lacks any darkness or water. It's always light. I normal circumstances the golden cube will be hotter than the lake of fire but maybe it's a cool light. God and all of his weird creatures are in the golden cube . Once a month he allows the inmates to eat a piece of fruit from the tree of life and to drink from the pure river of water of life that flows from his throne (might be God's pee). It seems that a lot of people mix up details from other various ethnocentric religious fairy tales to get what they want instead of actually reading and understanding the biblical fairy tale that they claim to believe in. (June 6, 2016 at 6:07 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(June 6, 2016 at 2:21 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: If sin was really such an issue, god shouldn't have invented it. The fairy tale says that God gives people delusions so that they will believe lies. (June 6, 2016 at 6:07 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So what you're saying is that God made you an unbeliever, and the fact that you're a free moral agent had nothing to do with your choice to disbelieve? God does nothing, due to the fact that he does not exist. If anything, one is an atheist due to the overwhelming lack of evidence of god's existence.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter (June 6, 2016 at 6:25 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: No, I said god invented sin. Unbelief is an example of sin, but isn't the entirety of sin, correct? Sin would also include violating the commandments, and other things, such as premarital sex, engaging in homosexuality, etc. Wrong, Unbelief IS sin, the acts that you mentioned are ATTRIBUTES of sin, in other words, by committing those acts, it shows that you don't believe. For example, say there is a door, and I tell you not to open it because there is a dangerous animal on the other side. If you proceed to open it anyway, you obviously didn't believe me. Therefore it was your unbelief that caused you to commit the act of opening the door. (June 6, 2016 at 7:08 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(June 6, 2016 at 6:25 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: No, I said god invented sin. Unbelief is an example of sin, but isn't the entirety of sin, correct? Sin would also include violating the commandments, and other things, such as premarital sex, engaging in homosexuality, etc. Wrong on both counts. Sin is man's invented nonsense.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
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Hell isn't scary? Maybe not to some people but to children in particular it can be horrific .
The thought that they, their mom and dad or their grandma and grandpa could spend eternity burning in excruciating pain is very scary. That is what christians are teaching their kids in catechism and sunday school. How do I know? Because I lived it. I spent my childhood in fear of committing a mortal sin. Of going to hell because I had a bad thought or because I fought with my brothers or because I told my parents a fib etc etc etc etc. Oh no. Hell wasn't only scary, it was a real thing as I grew up. To some kids hell is hell.
Well conducted introspection dispels the dreams and delirium on wich gods feed.
Atheism is not therapy but restored mental health. -Michel Onfray- (June 6, 2016 at 7:08 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(June 6, 2016 at 6:25 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: No, I said god invented sin. Unbelief is an example of sin, but isn't the entirety of sin, correct? Sin would also include violating the commandments, and other things, such as premarital sex, engaging in homosexuality, etc. What a crap example If I was in a burning building and your imagination made you tell me there was a dangerous animal on the other side of the door I would try to validate or debunk you claim. The evidence I required would be dependent on how much I needed to go through the door for survival. But even if my need to go through that door was trivial, I would probably still go through the door if the warning came from a known fantasist like yourself that believed his/her imaginary friend invented a fairy tale that a dangerous animal was on the other side of the door.....
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