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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 12, 2016 at 7:49 pm
How can one love God with all their heart and soul if one is not first conditioned to believe in the special metaphysical properties of the heart and soul?
It's another of the bible's conundrums. Like irreducible complexity.
Basically, you cannot be a partial numbskull to be religious.
It's a gamble which you double down your whole life for.
That's the mechanics of religious addiction.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 12, 2016 at 7:57 pm
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(June 12, 2016 at 7:31 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: (June 12, 2016 at 5:32 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: You're expected also to live in constant fear of this being while loving it and singing its praises. It's the kind of love you have for the local tyrannical dictator; adoration by ultimatum.
This resonates with me, as someone who was raised by a very violent and abusive Mother. I was required to call her "Ma'am", kiss her goodnight, and say "I love you". Of course, I knew that if I didn't, I would get my head put through the nearest wall. Did I want her to love me? Oh yes. And I desperately wanted to not have to be afraid anymore. That never happened.
It strikes me as much the same with the god concept. Sure, you're supposed to praise because you have been "saved" from the ultimate eternal torture. (Similar to "Yay, she didn't hit me today.") But there is this constant message of being born FILTHY and sinful, the constant fear of being truly unworthy and disobedient, and the constant begging for forgiveness and promises to do better.
You're worthless, the only thing that makes you not worthless is ME, and you if you don't obey me every second I may have to torture you forever no matter what you say.
It also sounds a lot like an abusive husband.
I've before made the comparison between the relationship with God and an abusive household. The abuser in the scenario is a cold and indifferent world, the victim is a fragile and ignorant primate species who's flawed brains project agency where there is none.
The world strikes the primates with unrelenting hardship: plagues, disasters, pain, death, for centuries without warning or explanation, and the primates reacts as many victims of abuse do, they come to excuse and even defend the actions of the abuser, convince themselves that the abuser knows best and that they must have deserved the punishment they got, and if they just did as they were supposed to, then they wouldn't be hurt. Problem is, this abuser is an unthinking cosmos that the primitive apes have mistaken for an angry parent.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 12, 2016 at 8:56 pm
The religious version of the Stockholm syndrome?
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 12, 2016 at 8:57 pm
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(June 12, 2016 at 8:56 pm)ignoramus Wrote: The religious version of the Stockholm syndrome?
An existential Stockholm, yes.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 12, 2016 at 9:13 pm
I think 100% lasting love is a choice and takes work.
1 Corinthians 13 speaks what love is:
1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 12, 2016 at 9:28 pm
Yep, think they mistranslated obey.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 12, 2016 at 9:35 pm
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 12, 2016 at 10:04 pm
(June 12, 2016 at 9:35 pm)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: (June 12, 2016 at 9:13 pm)SteveII Wrote: I think 100% lasting love is a choice and takes work.
1 Corinthians 13 speaks what love is:
1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
SteveII, do you think loving is the same as serving ?
I think serving is an important part of love but not the same thing. You can serve for other motivations.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 12, 2016 at 10:51 pm
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SteveII,
Thanks. I thought to put a definition of the word loving below.
Loving - feeling or showing love or great care
So by that definition do you think serving may be thought of as showing goodwill/love or great care ?
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