Dutch woman convicted of having sex outside marriage after rape

[abaris]

There's a list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applicatio...try#Africa

It's also important to make a distinction between Sharia civil and punitive law. Punitive Sharia is applied in even less countries than this list suggests. Sharia civil law on the other hand is nothing but dispute arbitration in property cases. To mix both together is the same mistake as taking Jihad only to mean holy war.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Just remember it wasn't that long ago (1925) some Americans wanted to execute people who dared marry people of other races.

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[WinterHold]

Yeah but... that's hardly fair to impose it on people who only say they are Muslims because they'll be mashed up if they don't. Also it's a terrible system anyway.

Obviously this is fucked up from every angle. I'd never go to a country that has laws like this. We need to stop being allies with this place until they learn some basic human rights, and stop getting their rules out of an ancient book.

I won't deny that it's a dilemma (even within the ranks of Muslims); many believe in the whole faith but stop at such sentence: 
-They either madly go extreme in their execution for such sentences
-They either Liberally abandon it though keep on believing in the rest of the faith, and that would expose a very hypocritical nature
-They would ignore it, and tell each person what they want to hear


You can see the first group composing "Salafi/Wahhabi/Shiite Twelver" faiths.
You can see the second group composing "Arabic secular parties and movements".
You can see the final group making up the normal-everyday Islamist such as "the Muslim Brotherhood".

Now, ain't that a big nasty mess..

As for the sentence of lashing, it's all about the contract; Rob. By contract I mean that of marriage.
The people who have sex without a contract are committing a crime against their society beause of the children that might be produced from the affair.

Nobody wants bastard children running around with their parents missing, and assuming that everybody will behave and preserve the family intact is just imaginary thinking. Yep, soccer moms and single mothers go through hell too, and let's be honest: the laws of today didn't help a lot with that; the phenomena still exists and is still happening. And you have mothers who dump their infant children in the garbage too; we don't wanna be feminists and forget about that, women abuse the children too. A child without a policy is weaker and less protected indeed.

Islam is a religion that is fair towards orphans, it doesn't make any sense if God let the misery many fathers and mothers inflict on their children to be legal.

When I see the look on an orphan's face, I understand why lashing is the penalty.
People should be responsibility and should take responsibility for their actions, the contract of marriage is the policy that insure that.

Losty

Yes; for rape, only one side would get the lashing, the other side is the victim in this case.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, islam is fair towards orphans..because it makes sex a crime.  

Tell me more about the barbarity or inanity of the other muslim groups......

[WinterHold]

Yeah, islam is fair towards orphans..because it makes sex a crime.  

Tell me more about the barbarity or inanity of the other muslim groups......  

No Rhythm, I said:

As for the sentence of lashing, it's all about the contract; Rob. By contract I mean that of marriage.

I'll repeat it a lot:

contract..contrat..contract..contract..contract..contract..contract..

Not sex, but contract.

After the contract is written, we can fuck day and night.
So when kids come, I'm caught by the throat with this contract.

[The Grand Nudger]

You repeat alot of things, I'm sure.  

I'm american, so I'm familiar with all this contract business and trying to hitch it to one's religion and the value thereof. To me, it's unoriginal, and I stand by my comments.

[Divinity]

Ahh yes, worried about the orphans. Cause we all know there's no such goddamn thing as single mothers, or parents who aren't married. Islam can fuck off with that bullshit. People who punish a woman for rape should be fucked with a rusty rake and then left to soak in alcohol.

[Losty]

@Atlas lashing someone is disgusting and morally wrong. Don't care if they're a rapist or not.

[The Grand Nudger]

Ahh yes, worried about the orphans.  Cause we all know there's no such goddamn thing as single mothers, or parents who aren't married.  Islam can fuck off with that bullshit.  People who punish a woman for rape should be fucked with a rusty rake and then left to soak in alcohol.

That's probably a punishment for having been raped in the ummah as well, somewhere between deportation and being stoned to death.