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(June 19, 2016 at 11:04 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't think you understand what a NDE is Rik. I'll explain one last time.
Someone almost dies, and has some sort of experience. The brain is under immense strain in such extreme situations, so it's fairly common for it to produce hallucinations. It "experiences" things that didn't actually happen.
If you're suggesting that these "experiences" might actually also be real, then you're in the realm of fantasy. Just because a brain experiences something, it doesn't mean it literally happened. That is wild speculation backed by no evidence.
So having a NDE is not proof of anything.
Roberto.
Doctors do not say that the bloke almost die.
They say that the bloke really died.
Are you more qualified than a doctor?
(June 19, 2016 at 10:20 am)Little Rik Wrote: Suppose some respected member of this forum had an NDE.
After that they come back here on the forum telling that God exist.
Would you believe them and give up atheism or no thinking that they just had
some sort of hallucination?
There's a respected member?
Personally I barely know enough about anyone on the forum to respect anyone on here in any real significant amount.
Whoever it was I'd assume they'd had some sort of hallucination.
I'd really hope it wasn't the creator of this website who had the near death experience because I'd guess these forums would be fucked if that was the case.
Most of the people in my afk life that I have a high level of respect for are theists. They believe for reasons, though not convincing to me, that I consider to be valid reasons. I still don't believe. So I have no idea why a goofmeister like Robgrandma becoming a believer over an NDE (which I consider to be one of the most ridiculous reasons to believe) would convince me.
On the contrary, if it were Rob, I would be convinced that it was a not so eleborate scheme to prank the forum.
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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(June 19, 2016 at 11:04 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't think you understand what a NDE is Rik. I'll explain one last time.
Someone almost dies, and has some sort of experience. The brain is under immense strain in such extreme situations, so it's fairly common for it to produce hallucinations. It "experiences" things that didn't actually happen.
If you're suggesting that these "experiences" might actually also be real, then you're in the realm of fantasy. Just because a brain experiences something, it doesn't mean it literally happened. That is wild speculation backed by no evidence.
So having a NDE is not proof of anything.
Roberto.
Doctors do not say that the bloke almost die.
They say that the bloke really died.
Are you more qualified than a doctor?
If the bloke is dead I suppose he won't be telling us about his NDE eh?
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
Religious Views: He gay
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Hammy Wrote:and we also have a sheep on our bed underneath as well
June 19, 2016 at 11:17 am (This post was last modified: June 19, 2016 at 11:21 am by Athene.)
(June 19, 2016 at 11:04 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(June 19, 2016 at 10:55 am)Thena323 Wrote:
If secondhand accounts were enough to convince my brain into belief in something as fantastical as an almighty God, I would already. Not sure why the testimony of one more person should make a difference, atheist or not.
Clearly, this is the sort of thing I would actually have to witness myself in order to believe.
'Cause, yeah...It's just that big.
What about if instead of being only one there would be 2-3 or more atheists that you know personally
that tell you that they were wrong all the way?
Would or would not make any difference?
There are scores of people, millions, perhaps billions who honestly believe they've had personal contact with "God". So again, why should 10, 20, or even 100 more personal accounts tip the scale? There's no reason for me to to believe that atheists aren't subject to the same possible psychological/neurological responses to impending death as anyone else.
June 19, 2016 at 11:19 am (This post was last modified: June 19, 2016 at 11:19 am by robvalue.)
This is of course word games.
"Dead" can mean being in a state where it's impossible to come back to life.
Or you can be declared "dead" going by some specific criteria.
In the first instance, if a doctor says you are dead and you come back to life, they were simply wrong.
In the second instance, there's no guarantee any particular criteria is enough to establish the impossibility of recovery. And clearly, whatever criteria they came back from, it wasn't enough.
Feel free to send me a private message.
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(June 19, 2016 at 11:13 am)robvalue Wrote: Do you know what the N stands for, Rik?
I have seen smash repair shops turn a total wreck into a new car.
I stop wondering about life and death long time ago.
Now I know that everything is possible.
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