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UK to leave EU
RE: UK to leave EU
(April 12, 2017 at 12:03 pm)Ben Davis Wrote: Not sure about this. There are many financial obligations that have to be fulfilled or that we were due to fulfill, that we'll owe them money for. Is it as much as the £60b figure that's been thrown about? Probably not but it may well be billions. And we need to consider that the EU received funding from us so since we're the party that's leaving, we may well need to provide maintenance. We'll see but my cynicism tells me we'll pay something; I hope I'm wrong.

Well the annual pension costs of currently retired British civil servants who worked in the EU is about €1.4bn. Either the UK pays up or 1,700 and growing British subjects will find that they have no income after 2019. That'll go a long way towards €60bn all on its own. Then there's stuff like membership of CERN or the ESA which May will eventually realise it's essential to stay part of if British scientific research wants to continue. And then there's stuff like the EU medicines review authority (currently based in London) which May will eventually realise it's essential to stay part of if the UK wants a pharmaceutical industry. My guess is that the €60bn may be an underestimate when you factor in lifetime costs of stuff like that and the one time payments already agreed to.
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Oh boy...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...own-jewels

Quote:The EU is set to inflict a double humiliation on Theresa May, stripping Britain of its European agencies within weeks, while formally rejecting the prime minister’s calls for early trade talks.

The Observer has learned that EU diplomats agreed their uncompromising position at a crunch meeting on Tuesday, held to set out the union’s strategy in the talks due to start next month.

A beauty contest between member states who want the European banking and medicine agencies, currently located in London, will begin within two weeks, with selection criteria to be unveiled by the president of the European council, Donald Tusk.

The European Banking Authority and the European Medicines Agency employ about 1,000 people, many of them British, and provide a hub for businesses in the UK. It is understood that the EU’s chief negotiator hopes the agencies will know their new locations by June, although the process may take longer. Cities such as Frankfurt, Milan, Amsterdam and Paris are competing to take the agencies, which are regarded as among the EU’s crown jewels.
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(April 16, 2017 at 5:54 am)Isis Wrote: Oh boy...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...own-jewels

Quote:The EU is set to inflict a double humiliation on Theresa May, stripping Britain of its European agencies within weeks, while formally rejecting the prime minister’s calls for early trade talks.

The Observer has learned that EU diplomats agreed their uncompromising position at a crunch meeting on Tuesday, held to set out the union’s strategy in the talks due to start next month.

A beauty contest between member states who want the European banking and medicine agencies, currently located in London, will begin within two weeks, with selection criteria to be unveiled by the president of the European council, Donald Tusk.

The European Banking Authority and the European Medicines Agency employ about 1,000 people, many of them British, and provide a hub for businesses in the UK. It is understood that the EU’s chief negotiator hopes the agencies will know their new locations by June, although the process may take longer. Cities such as Frankfurt, Milan, Amsterdam and Paris are competing to take the agencies, which are regarded as among the EU’s crown jewels.

Brexit has screwed us. So the question is how long will it take us to get back into the EU? What party should I vote for to make this happen?



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(April 16, 2017 at 6:05 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Brexit has screwed us. So the question is how long will it take us to get back into the EU? What party should I vote for to make this happen?

Brexit hasn't happened yet but obviously the effects have been negative so far. I don't think we could rejoin the EU without triggering a backlash from those who voted to leave. I don't always agree with them on everything, but I am seriously considering voting for the Scottish Greens.

In your case, try the Liberal Democrats.
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(April 16, 2017 at 5:54 am)Isis Wrote: Oh boy...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...own-jewels

Quote:The EU is set to inflict a double humiliation on Theresa May, stripping Britain of its European agencies within weeks, while formally rejecting the prime minister’s calls for early trade talks.

The Observer has learned that EU diplomats agreed their uncompromising position at a crunch meeting on Tuesday, held to set out the union’s strategy in the talks due to start next month.

A beauty contest between member states who want the European banking and medicine agencies, currently located in London, will begin within two weeks, with selection criteria to be unveiled by the president of the European council, Donald Tusk.

The European Banking Authority and the European Medicines Agency employ about 1,000 people, many of them British, and provide a hub for businesses in the UK. It is understood that the EU’s chief negotiator hopes the agencies will know their new locations by June, although the process may take longer. Cities such as Frankfurt, Milan, Amsterdam and Paris are competing to take the agencies, which are regarded as among the EU’s crown jewels.

That was going to happen anyway, once Theresa signalled she was pulling out of the common market. You can't have organisations making rules for a group working in a jurisdiction outside that group.
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I'm aware, just posting updates -- you know, as that's pretty much the purpose of the thread at the moment.
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This is happening...

BBC Wrote:UK Prime Minister Theresa May has announced plans to call a snap general election on 8 June.
She said Britain needed certainty, stability and strong leadership following the EU referendum.
Sum ergo sum
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(April 18, 2017 at 7:00 am)Ben Davis Wrote: This is happening...

BBC Wrote:UK Prime Minister Theresa May has announced plans to call a snap general election on 8 June.
She said Britain needed certainty, stability and strong leadership following the EU referendum.
Just saw that myself. Can't see anything anything other than a strong Tory win, probably with Libdems overtaking Labour as opposition, plus gains for the SNP in Scotland. The only silver lining is a heavy defeat for Labour might force Corbyn to resign and enable a credible (I.e. electable) leader to emerge.

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(April 18, 2017 at 7:00 am)Ben Davis Wrote: This is happening...

BBC Wrote:UK Prime Minister Theresa May has announced plans to call a snap general election on 8 June.
She said Britain needed certainty, stability and strong leadership following the EU referendum.

Kiss goodbye to any chance of the Tories coming to their senses and a deal being made.

(April 18, 2017 at 7:49 am)ukatheist Wrote:
(April 18, 2017 at 7:00 am)Ben Davis Wrote: This is happening...
Just saw that myself. Can't see anything anything other than a strong Tory win, probably with Libdems overtaking Labour as opposition, plus gains for the SNP in Scotland. The only silver lining is a heavy defeat for Labour might force Corbyn to resign and enable a credible (I.e. electable) leader to emerge.

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Well if Corbyn goes it'll be a Blairite as next Labour leader, and that'll be about as successful as the Tories picking Thatcherite leaders after 1997. Edit: just to say I don't think Corbyn is a wothwhile Labour leader either, his best bet was to have groomed a competent fellow leftie as his successor.
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(April 18, 2017 at 7:52 am)Tazzycorn Wrote: Kiss goodbye to any chance of the Tories coming to their senses and a deal being made.
There are a few things that May's after:

1. By calling an election now, she gets a win while Labour are weakened by internal conflict and the Lib Dems still haven't recovered from Clegg. If she waits until 2020, given that she's busy trying to kill as many vulnerable and marginalised people that she can (all while misinforming them in to thinking that it's for their own good) and making a complete pigs-ear of Brexit, there's a good chance that Labour would get their act together and the Lib Dems would start gaining some credibility again; almost certainly enough for the Tories to lose.

2. She gets her mandate. A constant criticism from the benches is that her policies have no democratic mandate as she was never elected. By taking advantage of the opportunity outlined in 1., she removes that leash and I'm sure, will happily slap everyone in the face with her newly acquired democratic cock at every opportunity.

3. She entrenches the Tory majority in the Commons. Given the problems in 1., it's likely we'll see more Tory gains which will leave her in the enviable position of being able to put through almost any policy she wants. She's testing that at the moment, what with stealing lunch from poor kids, wheelchairs from people who can't walk and the NHS from everyone. Imagine what she'll do when she's really able to get everything her way; just think of how much money could be moved up the social ladder!

In a nutshell, although she's selling this under the banner of 'What's best for Britain™', what she's actually doing is what's best for her and her mates.

I once saw a thread called 'What's not illegal now that should be'. Behaviour such as hers would be on my list.



Quote:Well if Corbyn goes it'll be a Blairite as next Labour leader, and that'll be about as successful as the Tories picking Thatcherite leaders after 1997. Edit: just to say I don't think Corbyn is a wothwhile Labour leader either, his best bet was to have groomed a competent fellow leftie as his successor.

There are only 2 reasons why I think Corbyn's unfit:

1. He couldn't (and still hasn't) sort the party conflicts out. All he had to do was to use his authority and either 'neuter & convert' or get shot of the Blairites who were stabbing him in the back (or assassinate Tony, take your pick!). The fact that he didn't means he's not capable. A leader who can't handle tough leadership situations in his party certainly isn't tough enough to take out the most cantankerous Tory party we've seen since the 80's. We don't want to get stuck in a 'Kinnock' situation again.

2. He wanted Brexit due to his socialist ideology. He believes in local decisions for local people and was at the forefront of the fight against entry in to the EU in the first place. However, ideology aside, Brexit is simply a terrible idea for the very people he's supposed to represent. His half-arsed attempt at opposition betrayed his true feelings and the fact that he couldn't change his opinions to fit the facts of the current situation means he's no more fit to take decisions in the national interest than the current Tories.

Even given those two BIG flaws, we're still better off with him in charge than with May and there's no-one in Labour who's as fit for leadership than he is. I hope we get a modern socialist rather than a Blairite but while I don't want 10 years of Corbyn 'Kinnocking' up the place, I fear that's what will happen.
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