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RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 12:01 pm
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(June 28, 2016 at 8:26 am)SteveII Wrote: (June 28, 2016 at 7:02 am)Incognito Wrote: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...so-can-we/
I just love that when they quote Bible passages, they are all so righteous. When we quote the bullshit parts of the Bible to them, they call us dickheads.
Christians LOVE to Cherry Pick the Bible
I hear all the time that Christians like to cherry pick the Bible and therefore...what?
What does that charge actually mean? That the Bible is not true? Are difficult passages evidence of something? If so what?
I agree there are many difficult passages to our modern sensibilities. But you seem to be saying that when a Christian quotes the Bible they should...what? quote OT passages rape laws just as often?...I don't know what you expect?
That last part is what this thread is all about, that the atrocities and immorality in the bible somehow fit ancient sensibilities. So very many examples, and you are aware of them.
What does cherry picking mean? The idea is, when you pick cherries off a cherry tree, you pick the good ones. The implication made is how most religious people do the same with their holy book. They only pick the good stuff, ignoring the atrocities and immorality, because they know the harm it does to their belief. If confronted with those atrocities and immoralities, theists do just what you did. They claim the time of occurrence makes it ok, makes it fit. Bullshit Flag. At no time, under any circumstance, is slavery, rape, or murder acceptable. Before you refute you implied such, read your post. That is exactly the implication you made.
I will tell you what is expected: Acknowledge your holy book is FOS. The bad well outweighs the good, simply because the bad can be invoked at-will (see the thread about despising Baptists). Have any Kool-Aid?
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RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 12:04 pm
(June 28, 2016 at 8:26 am)SteveII Wrote: (June 28, 2016 at 7:02 am)Incognito Wrote: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...so-can-we/
I just love that when they quote Bible passages, they are all so righteous. When we quote the bullshit parts of the Bible to them, they call us dickheads.
Christians LOVE to Cherry Pick the Bible
I hear all the time that Christians like to cherry pick the Bible and therefore...what?
What does that charge actually mean? That the Bible is not true? Are difficult passages evidence of something? If so what?
I agree there are many difficult passages to our modern sensibilities. But you seem to be saying that when a Christian quotes the Bible they should...what? quote OT passages rape laws just as often?...I don't know what you expect?
The point is that for Christians to say that the Bible is any kind of moral authority is ridiculous to anyone who has read it - the God of the Bible clearly and explicitly endorses all manner of barbaric behaviour. Christians usually avoid (or haven't read) the nasty bits, but to hear them try to rationalize them away is insulting to one's intelligence, it's a total double standard.
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RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 12:10 pm
Correct, gentlemen.
Quote:The doctrine of eternal punishment is in perfect harmony with the savagery of the men who made the orthodox creeds. It is in harmony with torture, with flaying alive, and with burnings. The men who burned their fellow-men for a moment, believed that God would burn his enemies forever.
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RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 12:36 pm
(June 28, 2016 at 12:01 pm)RetiredArmy Wrote: (June 28, 2016 at 8:26 am)SteveII Wrote: I hear all the time that Christians like to cherry pick the Bible and therefore...what?
What does that charge actually mean? That the Bible is not true? Are difficult passages evidence of something? If so what?
I agree there are many difficult passages to our modern sensibilities. But you seem to be saying that when a Christian quotes the Bible they should...what? quote OT passages rape laws just as often?...I don't know what you expect?
That last part is what this thread is all about, that somehow the atrocities and immorality in the bible somehow fit ancient sensibilities. So very many examples, and you are aware of them.
What does cherry picking mean? The idea is, when you pick cherries off a cherry tree, you pick the good ones. The implication made is how most religious people do the same with their holy book. They only pick the good stuff, ignoring the atrocities and immorality, because they know the harm it does to their belief. If confronted with those atrocities and immoralities, theists do just what you did. They claim the time of occurrence makes it ok, makes it fit. Bullshit Flag. At no time, under any circumstance, is slavery, rape, or murder acceptable. Before you refute you implied such, read your post. That is exactly the implication you made.
I will tell you what is expected: Acknowledge your holy book is FOS. The bad well outweighs the good, simply because the bad can be invoked at-will (see the thread about despising Baptists). Have any Kool-Aid?
The bad outweighing the good? I think you overestimate your objections to the Bible.
Christians should know how to handle the objections. Give me an example and I will give it a try.
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RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 12:43 pm
(June 28, 2016 at 12:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: (June 28, 2016 at 12:01 pm)RetiredArmy Wrote: That last part is what this thread is all about, that somehow the atrocities and immorality in the bible somehow fit ancient sensibilities. So very many examples, and you are aware of them.
What does cherry picking mean? The idea is, when you pick cherries off a cherry tree, you pick the good ones. The implication made is how most religious people do the same with their holy book. They only pick the good stuff, ignoring the atrocities and immorality, because they know the harm it does to their belief. If confronted with those atrocities and immoralities, theists do just what you did. They claim the time of occurrence makes it ok, makes it fit. Bullshit Flag. At no time, under any circumstance, is slavery, rape, or murder acceptable. Before you refute you implied such, read your post. That is exactly the implication you made.
I will tell you what is expected: Acknowledge your holy book is FOS. The bad well outweighs the good, simply because the bad can be invoked at-will (see the thread about despising Baptists). Have any Kool-Aid?
The bad outweighing the good? I think you overestimate your objections to the Bible.
Christians should know how to handle the objections. Give me an example and I will give it a try.
There is more immoral things in the bible than moral... the bad does outweigh the good in this case.
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RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 12:46 pm
Quote:The bad outweighing the good? I think you overestimate your objections to the Bible.
What good do you see in the fucking thing?
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RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 12:46 pm
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Jesus says that all of the Old Testament commandments are still binding:
Quote:Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Which means that all of God's direct instructions to keep slaves, commit genocide, sacrifice children, and stone people to death for adultery, apostasy, homosexual acts, witchcraft and wizardry etc are still binding, they are not nullified by the New Testament.
All of those things are deeply, wickedly immoral, and they come direct from the mouth of the God of the Bible - therefore he is morally reprehensible, evil and unworthy of an iota of respect, let alone worship. (Quite aside from the fact that he obviously does not exist. It's pure mythology.)
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RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 12:50 pm
(June 28, 2016 at 12:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: (June 28, 2016 at 12:01 pm)RetiredArmy Wrote: That last part is what this thread is all about, that somehow the atrocities and immorality in the bible somehow fit ancient sensibilities. So very many examples, and you are aware of them.
What does cherry picking mean? The idea is, when you pick cherries off a cherry tree, you pick the good ones. The implication made is how most religious people do the same with their holy book. They only pick the good stuff, ignoring the atrocities and immorality, because they know the harm it does to their belief. If confronted with those atrocities and immoralities, theists do just what you did. They claim the time of occurrence makes it ok, makes it fit. Bullshit Flag. At no time, under any circumstance, is slavery, rape, or murder acceptable. Before you refute you implied such, read your post. That is exactly the implication you made.
I will tell you what is expected: Acknowledge your holy book is FOS. The bad well outweighs the good, simply because the bad can be invoked at-will (see the thread about despising Baptists). Have any Kool-Aid?
The bad outweighing the good? I think you overestimate your objections to the Bible.
Christians should know how to handle the objections. Give me an example and I will give it a try. Ok, here we go. Let's start with Exodus 21. Ready to receive excuses....
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RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 12:50 pm
Flinging horse shit at horse shit only makes a bigger pile of horse shit. I haven't the time for such nonsense.
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RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 12:56 pm
Acts 3:23 (that's NT)
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