FBI: No charges for Clinton

[Cecelia]

Andrew, being a Libertarian, is against such vile things as the Patriot Act. Hilary will try and appease Republicans by putting a Republican on SCOTUS. Voting for Hilary isn't guaranteed to put a, shall we say, reasonable person on SCOTUS.  And we know Hilary hates civil liberties - she advocated for the Patriot Act after all.

You want for more years of Obama? Okay, that means more whistle-blowers than ever before in jail, more arms deals with Saudi and more bombing of Arab countries.  Hilary will certainly go further than Obama. She will expand the pointless wars.

You've done absolutely nothing to address the fact that he's an anti-choice libertarian.  All you've done is make baseless speculation on who Hillary will choose, saying that she will try and appease Republicans.  It's absolutely baseless. 

I'll gladly take four more years of Obama over four years of Trump.  Or any other Republican for that matter.  Especially when women's reproductive rights would be at risk.  Scotus Picks serve for life, or until they step down.  Only one Supreme Court Justice has been impeached, Samuel Chase, and he was acquitted and remained in office.  Even if he only picks three (Ginsburg, Scalia, and Thomas) replacements, that's three replacements for a long period of time.  And even if Napolitano is anti-patriot act, the other replacements might not be, and might help push for removing a woman's reproductive rights or otherwise hinder them.  (And that's even assuming he actually picks Napolitano, because as I pointed out he wasn't on the list of 11 SCOTUS nominees Trump released.  It was only mentioned by one of his advisers). 

And let's not act like Trump isn't going to expand the 'pointless wars'.  Donald Trump will gladly dismantle the Iran Deal.  Yes, Hillary was against it at first, but changed her mind when evidence showed that it was working.  Believe it or not, people are allowed to change their mind based on the evidence.  I would think Atheists of all people would understand that. 

Hillary as I've said is far from Perfect.  If Perfect was Mercury, she's Mars.  Trump, however, is Neptune.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Trump has also stated that he'd happily poke China, which is certainly not in our national interest.

[Cecelia]

If that's really the case then I'm happy to be corrected. I am skeptical because of the FBI's criminal investigation of Terry McAuliffe, the governor of Virginia and how it relates to the Clinton Foundation. He worked for the Foundation and he now being investigated for corruption by the FBI.

The investigation has nothing to do with what he did for the Clinton Foundation, and it's been reiterated that there are no allegations that the Clinton Foundation did anything wrong.  And for now he's just under investigation.  In this country you are innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. McAuliffe is being investigated because of a Donor who donated to his campaign. He also made donations to the Clinton Foundation (and as the Clinton Foundation is NOT a federal or state election, people not from the US are allowed to donate to them) We don't know much about the investigation, but apparently Wang holds permanent US residency, which would make him eligible to donate to McAuliffe.

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Trump has also stated that he'd happily poke China, which is certainly not in our national interest.

Obama seems determined to piss off the Chinese.

[ReptilianPeon]

Yes, it's unfortunate that Napolitano is Roman Catholic. I'll admit Hilary is slightly better Donald. Only slightly so i.still would not vote for her.

Anybody who is happy to take money from donors in the Saudi royal family cannot be a consistent advocate for women's issues. That's very hypocritical of her. Are Arab women worth less than American women in Hilary's mind?

[ReptilianPeon]

Thank you for the update about the Clinton Foundation. The only part I take issue with is this:

In this country you are innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

People were shocked when Donald said he'd kill the families of terrorists, but this literally already happens. Drone strikes have a habit of causing collateral damage. What we find, time and again, is "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't appear to apply to the thousands of civilians killed by the drone program which Obama has greatly expanded - and which Hilary looks set to continue.

[Cecelia]

People often take money from people whom they disagree with. I don't think that Hillary, or anyone for that matter is in much position to change how the Saudis treat women. It's much like how many businesses who are pro-gay rights in the United States refuse to do business with places like North Carolina, but still do business in Saudi Arabia themselves. This doesn't make them Anti-gay rights (after all, the CEOs of some of these companies are gay themselves). They just know that refusing to do business there won't result in change. I doubt that if the Clinton Foundation said "No, you can't donate to us because of how you treat women!" that it would change anything. Except the Clinton Foundation would have fewer funds for their humanitarian causes.

[Tiberius]

Thoughtt of this, don't know if it's exculpatory for Comey, but it might have been my take had I been in his shoes;


he was faced with possibly being a solitary individual with the power to (possibly) veto a president, something someone who believes strongly in democracy might be loathe to do.

Hence his use of accurate synonyms to describe Hillary's actions, but since they are synonyms, he has an 'out' for reaching his conclusion, but nevertheless, they are accurate synonyms for the precise wording that would have resulted in an opposite recommend from him.

He's put it in the voters laps, we have all we need to either vote our conscience or vote our politics.


I'd hope perhaps if I realized beforehand it's up to me to select, on behalf of everyone else, 2 profoundly different timelines, I might 'punt' too, let the people decide, fuck my oath, this is where I draw the line.

I hope that wasn't his justification, because it would be wholly irresponsible. She's a *candidate* for President, not the President yet. She doesn't hold any public office at the moment, and even her position as the expected nominee of the Democratic party is a position within a *private* organization. Clinton is a private citizen only at the moment, and she should have been treated the exact same way as any other private citizen.

We don't let the entire country vote on every other criminal case; this one should be no different.

The vote for President this year is especially different, because people voting for Clinton might not be voting for her based on their opinion of her crimes, but on the fact that they don't want a President Trump.

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Trump has also stated that he'd happily poke China, which is certainly not in our national interest.

Obama seems determined to piss off the Chinese.

Interesting. It seems they are trying to piss Russia off even more than they already have as well.

[dyresand]

Yes, it's unfortunate that Napolitano is Roman Catholic. I'll admit Hilary is slightly better Donald. Only slightly so i.still would not vote for her.

Anybody who is happy to take money from donors in the Saudi royal family cannot be a consistent  advocate for women's issues. That's very hypocritical of her. Are Arab women worth less than American women in Hilary's mind?

I wouldn't call her slightly better she is for perpetual wars in the middle east she is one of the reasons why the middle east
is destabilized hell she voted for the war in Iraq. Look i am for going to war but if were going to war at least wage war in the 
correct country and do not remove people like Saddam out of power something she would and something the president is doing now
if he removes another dictator out of the middle east it makes things much worse. Then you have the other side of it 
she would gladly send our jobs overseas using things like the TPP or a equivalent she is bought off both Trump and Hillary are
the same on issue. Hillary can be bought Trump cannot that is why the GOP doesn't like the guy he is a rich guy running for office
that cannot be bought off. I hate to say this... and even i'm scaring myself this might be the first actual election i might vote Republican 
even though both parties are sacks of shit i don't trust Hillary not one bit to run the country. Even then i will consider heavily consider a third
party because i don't know what Bernie is going to do anymore he might or might back Hillary so i don't know. There is other issues as well
why i would not dare vote for her but yeah those are my reasons.