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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:22 am
(July 14, 2016 at 11:09 am)SteveII Wrote: (July 14, 2016 at 10:57 am)madog Wrote: OK, are you saying you don't believe in a virgin birth? a man rising from the dead? to name just two religious beliefs ...
The reason I ask is by your statement a religious person that does believe in such things as above do not have "true religious beliefs" ...
It is not a scientific fact that there cannot be supernatural causes to natural events. Not even close. Science cannot even comment on it.
What is the definition of supernatural causes again?
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:22 am
(July 14, 2016 at 11:09 am)SteveII Wrote: (July 14, 2016 at 10:57 am)madog Wrote: OK, are you saying you don't believe in a virgin birth? a man rising from the dead? to name just two religious beliefs ...
The reason I ask is by your statement a religious person that does believe in such things as above do not have "true religious beliefs" ...
It is not a scientific fact that there cannot be supernatural causes to natural events. Not even close. Science cannot even comment on it.
Are you being serious? Are you saying science can't scientifically prove that birth, at our present evolutionary stage, can't produce the birth of a human child without sperm? or that a man dead for three days can't rise and come alive?
Science has more authority to talk about science than religion has to talk about science ... in fact the Bible doesn't try to talk about science it just relays myths, its the followers of the myths that think they can say more than the fiction book actually claims 
Religion is the top shelf of the supernatural supermarket ... Madog
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:24 am
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2016 at 11:28 am by The Grand Nudger.)
@ steve
Stop, I'm obviously not going to humor you. I have no interest in hearing your rationalizations -again-. We can discuss the one you made in this thread...that I commented upon, content which you've quoted.
Should we discard contradictory narratives, or should we create special criteria and exemptions in the event of their appearance?
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:28 am
(July 14, 2016 at 11:11 am)Rhythm Wrote: If some "x" makes something happen here in our world, science can comment upon it. There we see your rationalizations in full swing. Trying to remove your contradictory religious beliefs from scrutiny in the first place. At what point did you plan on following through with that business of discarding them?
Notice my main sentence/topic/thesis/response of that post. "It is not a scientific fact that there cannot be supernatural causes to natural events." Again, science cannot tell us anything about this. So, no contradiction. No need to discard my religious beliefs.
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:28 am
As an aside, there is zero proof for any supernatural event .... I repeat zero ....
Science does not particularly deal in disproving anything and in particular fiction .... If you wish to turn fiction into non fiction YOU NEED TO OFFER THE EVIDENCE ....
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:30 am
(July 14, 2016 at 11:22 am)Alex K Wrote: (July 14, 2016 at 11:09 am)SteveII Wrote: It is not a scientific fact that there cannot be supernatural causes to natural events. Not even close. Science cannot even comment on it.
What is the definition of supernatural causes again?
Briefly, causes not in the natural order of things.
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:31 am
(July 14, 2016 at 11:30 am)SteveII Wrote: (July 14, 2016 at 11:22 am)Alex K Wrote: What is the definition of supernatural causes again?
Briefly, causes not in the natural order of things.
I say again " Science does not particularly deal in disproving anything and in particular fiction .... If you wish to turn fiction into non fiction YOU NEED TO OFFER THE EVIDENCE ...."
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:31 am
(July 14, 2016 at 11:22 am)madog Wrote: (July 14, 2016 at 11:09 am)SteveII Wrote: It is not a scientific fact that there cannot be supernatural causes to natural events. Not even close. Science cannot even comment on it.
Are you being serious? Are you saying science can't scientifically prove that birth, at our present evolutionary stage, can't produce the birth of a human child without sperm? or that a man dead for three days can't rise and come alive?
Science has more authority to talk about science than religion has to talk about science ... in fact the Bible doesn't try to talk about science it just relays myths, its the followers of the myths that think they can say more than the fiction book actually claims
You misunderstood my entire point. Science cannot tell us whether a supernatural cause is possible or not.
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:31 am
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(July 14, 2016 at 11:28 am)SteveII Wrote: Notice my main sentence/topic/thesis/response of that post. "It is not a scientific fact that there cannot be supernatural causes to natural events." Again, science cannot tell us anything about this. So, no contradiction. No need to discard my religious beliefs.
You've discarded your exortation that we discard contradictory narratives. Instead, you've manufactured an exemption in favor of your beliefs.
You're certainly free to do so. There's simply no sense in pretending that we should, and implying that you -have-, discarded contradictory narratives when the very next thing you grace us with is an example of precisely how you -didn't-.
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:34 am
Wanting to have it both ways though?
Seems like failing to embrace a 6000 year old earth while maintaining (sorry if putting words in some mouths here) the moral teachings in the bible as eternal and unchanging is putting the chooser in charge of the choosers faith instead of God.
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