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How to end police shootings in one easy step.
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
(July 21, 2016 at 6:50 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: It's entirely possible that every single one of these unjustified shootings was a result of negligence.

Hard to believe in the case of the guy running away. What was it? 4 or 6 rounds fired into his back.

In this case the cop is charged with murder. A one off, and let's see if anything comes of it.
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RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
Quote:Let's be perfectly clear here that the people who need to be held accountable are not necessarily the individual officers - but could also be those who are responsible for properly training them. It's abundantly clear that there is a widespread problem with how police deal with people with mental disabilities, aside from the racial issue. Combine that with the military weaponry that cops are increasingly being issued, and this is what you get.

Nail...head...hit. Until and unless cops get better training to deal with the situations we've seen too much of lately, this sort of thing is going to continue. When the police are better able to defuse a situation without anyone (cop or civilian) getting hurt or killed, the tension will ease off, and people will be less likely to view cops as the enemy.

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RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
(July 21, 2016 at 6:50 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(July 21, 2016 at 6:41 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I think that there are two different conversations going on here... the original general conversation, and then this incident which was linked to, in which the man was clearly complying with the officers, and trying to care for the mentally handicapped boy.  I agree, (even though I think discharging the firearm was not intentional) that the whole thing was wrong on many levels.   I do think that from what I read, you are mistaken in classifying it as just a traffic stop however. 

(Aside - I don't think the discharge was intentional - nor do I think it was accidental. It was negligent.)

When I was speaking of the "traffic stop" I was speaking towards the incident that I linked to, the shooting of an innocent man in Minneapolis just last week, who was complying with the police and was shot - and left to bleed to death - for his trouble.

(July 21, 2016 at 6:41 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Not much was given in the story about the extent of his injury, or what happened afterwards when he said he was bleeding on the road.  My inclination is similar to yours, but with not much details, I don't just assume mal intent

Who is assuming malicious intent? It's entirely possible that every single one of these unjustified shootings was a result of negligence. That doesn't detract from the fact that something needs to be done about it, and to date, little has. The fact remains that in the particular case under discussion today (the therapist shot in Florida) that the whitewash has already begun and it's pretty damn clear that no one is going to be accountable.

Let's be perfectly clear here that the people who need to be held accountable are not necessarily the individual officers - but could also be those who are responsible for properly training them. It's abundantly clear that there is a widespread problem with how police deal with people with mental disabilities, aside from the racial issue. Combine that with the military weaponry that cops are increasingly being issued, and this is what you get.

Ok... A third discussion, and one that I was not aware of... So not talking about that either
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RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
It's all the same discussion. You are just determined to categorize and separate each instance in an effort to make it easier for you to excuse the nearly daily occurrence of police misconduct that goes unpunished and unrecognized.

It's all the same set of issues.
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RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
(July 21, 2016 at 12:31 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(July 21, 2016 at 12:10 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Of course you can be on the ground, with your hands up, saying 'don't shoot' and still get shot anyway....

http://usuncut.com/news/unarmed-therapis...by-police/

My take from it, was that it was an accident.   I was always taught and a big believer in the adage "don't point a gun at something you do not intend to shoot".  That was a horrible story, and sounds like it was mis-managed from start to finish.... I'm curious what the conclusion of the investigation was?  I'm just guessing, but I would wager, that the guy got a pretty good payout settlement.  I would also hope, that the cop was severely disciplined.

Well it just happened yesterday, the cop should go to prison, like anybody else that shoots someone for no reason.
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RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
(July 21, 2016 at 12:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It -was- an accident...until that inevitable point in which he manufactured a police report giving himself reason for shooting the man after letting him bleed out a little.  Then, it was criminal misconduct, falsifying a police report, and assault with a deadly weapon.

Except..ofc, he's a cop.

Get down-Good guy
Bang bang-still a good guy
I don't know-still...a good guy

...and then......

It's not an accident anyway, an accident is dropping a gun and it shoots somebody. Not intentionally pointing a gun at an unarmed man with his hands in the air and then pulling the trigger. That's not an accident! No jury would call that an accident for anybody other then a cop.
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