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RE: Donald Trump and the RNC, My Thoughts
July 26, 2016 at 6:08 pm
(July 26, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Divinity Wrote: "Traditional American" Fuck off with that stupid shit. There's no goddamn such thing as a 'traditional american'. Republicans don't want minorities to prosper. They only want you "Traditional" americans (AKA Rich and Christian) to prosper, and fuck everyone else.
Traditional Americans have good manners (which it appears that you don't have). They are independent types who believe that it's up to them to improve their lives. They believe that democracy and capitalism work well together to create a prosperous nation. They don't believe in elitism. The government isn't a ruling class that tells us what to do, but rather is there to serve the people. Traditional Americans are law-abiding and believe in a nation governed by laws enacted through officials elected by the people - to say a few.
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July 26, 2016 at 6:14 pm
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(July 26, 2016 at 6:08 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 26, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Divinity Wrote: "Traditional American" Fuck off with that stupid shit. There's no goddamn such thing as a 'traditional american'. Republicans don't want minorities to prosper. They only want you "Traditional" americans (AKA Rich and Christian) to prosper, and fuck everyone else.
Traditional Americans have good manners (which it appears that you don't have). They are independent types who believe that it's up to them to improve their lives. They believe that democracy and capitalism work well together to create a prosperous nation. They don't believe in elitism. The government isn't a ruling class that tells us what to do, but rather is there to serve the people. Traditional Americans are law-abiding and believe in a nation governed by laws enacted through officials elected by the people - to say a few.
Really, the law-abiding anti-elitism good manners crowd is supposed to flock to Donald Trump of all people? Hehehe
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RE: Donald Trump and the RNC, My Thoughts
July 26, 2016 at 6:17 pm
(July 26, 2016 at 6:08 pm)Lek Wrote: Traditional Americans have good manners (which it appears that you don't have). They are independent types who believe that it's up to them to improve their lives. They believe that democracy and capitalism work well together to create a prosperous nation. They don't believe in elitism. The government isn't a ruling class that tells us what to do, but rather is there to serve the people. Traditional Americans are law-abiding and believe in a nation governed by laws enacted through officials elected by the people - to say a few.
I have manners. I save them for people who aren't fuckups.
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July 26, 2016 at 6:19 pm
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(July 26, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Alex K Wrote: (July 26, 2016 at 6:08 pm)Lek Wrote: Traditional Americans have good manners (which it appears that you don't have). They are independent types who believe that it's up to them to improve their lives. They believe that democracy and capitalism work well together to create a prosperous nation. They don't believe in elitism. The government isn't a ruling class that tells us what to do, but rather is there to serve the people. Traditional Americans are law-abiding and believe in a nation governed by laws enacted through officials elected by the people - to say a few.
Really, the law-abiding anti-elitism good manners crowd is supposed to flock to Donald Trump of all people? Hehehe
Well, they sure don't want to flock to Hillary Clinton.
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RE: Donald Trump and the RNC, My Thoughts
July 26, 2016 at 6:27 pm
(July 26, 2016 at 11:04 am)dyresand Wrote: (July 26, 2016 at 10:09 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: If it's a choice between Hilary and Trump we have to go for Hilary.
I get that the critical point i am making one is more militant than the other i am looking at it like so
if were going to have a president who is going to keep us in war i'd pick Trump over Hillary for various reasons.
Then you are a blithering fucking idiot. Would it kill you to unlatch your mouth from Bernie Sanders' cock for 5 seconds and take a few deep breaths of fresh air? And I'm saying this as someone who would rather have Sanders as POTUS over Hillary aaaany day.
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July 26, 2016 at 6:43 pm
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(July 26, 2016 at 6:08 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 26, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Divinity Wrote: "Traditional American" Fuck off with that stupid shit. There's no goddamn such thing as a 'traditional american'. Republicans don't want minorities to prosper. They only want you "Traditional" americans (AKA Rich and Christian) to prosper, and fuck everyone else.
Traditional Americans have good manners (which it appears that you don't have). They are independent types who believe that it's up to them to improve their lives. They believe that democracy and capitalism work well together to create a prosperous nation. They don't believe in elitism. The government isn't a ruling class that tells us what to do, but rather is there to serve the people. Traditional Americans are law-abiding and believe in a nation governed by laws enacted through officials elected by the people - to say a few.
Whatever a traditional American might be, I find it tends to be a self-serving description. I'm sure the Know-Nothings considered themselves traditional Americans par excellence, though I question their 'good manners' when it came to kindness and hospitality to immigrants (Trump is nothing if not a throwback to these people). Perhaps you meant the good manners traditional Americans displayed when they were enslaving others, wiping out the native tribes, and stealing much of Mexico at bayonet point. Wait! No, you must mean the good manners -- not to mention the rugged individualism -- of the robber barons who made vast fortunes by gaming the political system for their own benefit.
As for democracy and capitalism working well to create a prosperous nation, you'll have no real quarrel with me. But it's worth pointing out that many of the very people your candidate castigates share those values, or hadn't you noticed? And it's your party that attempts to pass legislation at the states levels designed to suppress minority turnout at elections. Are you ok with that? Is that also part of your traditional American display of 'good manners' and respect for democracy and law?
As for elitism, all I can say is that you seem to have a shaky grasp of the Founders' generation and their views on democracy and the salt of the earth common man. These days, when I hear people rail against 'the elites', it seems like little more than class resentment. "Elite" only becomes a dirty word when "ism" is attached to it. The thing is, the true elites -- i.e., people of real achievement, expertise, and distinction and not merely those with wealth and the most toys or purchased political influence -- aren't the ones who apply the suffix. It's the people who resent them, and those who hope to gain by stoking that resentment, who do.
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RE: Donald Trump and the RNC, My Thoughts
July 26, 2016 at 7:05 pm
(July 26, 2016 at 6:43 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Whatever a traditional American might be, I find it tends to be a self-serving description. I'm sure the Know-Nothings considered themselves traditional Americans par excellence, though I question their 'good manners' when it came to kindness and hospitality to immigrants (Trump is nothing if not a throwback to these people). Perhaps you meant the good manners traditional Americans displayed when they were enslaving others, wiping out the native tribes, and stealing much of Mexico at bayonet point. Wait! No, you must mean the good manners -- not to mention the rugged individualism -- of the robber barons who made vast fortunes by gaming the political system for their own benefit.
No. I mean the ones who I described in my post.
Quote:And it's your party that attempts to pass legislation at the states levels designed to suppress minority turnout at elections. Are you ok with that? Is that also part of your traditional American display of 'good manners' and respect for democracy and law?
If you're talking about voter ID laws, what you're saying is not true. These laws are to help ensure that only people registered to vote actually do vote and that they only vote once each election. I guess that requiring people to have a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle was designed to suppress minority drivers. Gee, I had to show my ID to use my credit card recently! When I applied for my passport I had to show appropriate documentation. Should we allow low income people to get a passport without proper documentation? The lack of democracy and respect for the law is a trait of the people who perpetrate voter fraud.
Quote:As for elitism, all I can say is that you seem to have a shaky grasp of the Founders' generation and their views on democracy and the salt of the earth common man. These days, when I hear people rail against 'the elites', it seems like little more than class resentment. "Elite" only becomes a dirty word when "ism" is attached to it. The thing is, the true elites -- i.e., people of real achievement and expertise and not merely those with wealth and the most toys or purchased political influence -- aren't the ones who apply the suffix. It's the people who resent them, and those who hope to gain by stoking that resentment, who do.
We have elites in the government who seem to be above the law. They remind me of royalty.
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RE: Donald Trump and the RNC, My Thoughts
July 26, 2016 at 7:08 pm
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(July 26, 2016 at 6:19 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 26, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Alex K Wrote: Really, the law-abiding anti-elitism good manners crowd is supposed to flock to Donald Trump of all people? Hehehe
Well, they sure don't want to flock to Hillary Clinton.
Indeed. But the evils of A do not excuse the evils of B. Don't give the clown your vote. This, from one traditional american to another.
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July 26, 2016 at 7:19 pm
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(July 26, 2016 at 7:05 pm)Lek Wrote: If you're talking about voter ID laws, what you're saying is not true. These laws are to help ensure that only people registered to vote actually do vote and that they only vote once each election. I guess that requiring people to have a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle was designed to suppress minority drivers. Gee, I had to show my ID to use my credit card recently! When I applied for my passport I had to show appropriate documentation. Should we allow low income people to get a passport without proper documentation? The lack of democracy and respect for the law is a trait of the people who perpetrate voter fraud
Yes, those innocuous voter ID laws that keep getting shot down by the federal courts for violating the Voting Rights Act. You know, since we're on the subject of respect for law . . . .
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July 26, 2016 at 7:45 pm
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(July 26, 2016 at 7:19 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Yes, those innocuous voter ID laws that keep getting shot down by the federal courts for violating the Voting Rights Act. You know, since we're on the subject of respect for law . . . .
I don't necessarily agree with the courts, but I comply with their judgments, unlike the city of San Francisco (an extremely democrat city) which purposely violates immigration laws and never gets prosecuted by the federal government.
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