Same Judge, Same Outcome

[Esquilax]

I feel like this same judge also gave a black man on the same charge an actual sentence? Like, the white guys got a slap on the wrist, yet the black man got years in prison, under this same judge.

So... you know, I think we can determine what's informing his rulings, here.

Are you saying that actually happened, or that you're just guessing?

I was working from memory. In this case I got the basics right, but was wrong on one detail: the man was Latino, not black. Nevertheless, the white guy gets numerous exceptions and light treatment in a case where he was convicted of more crimes, yet the Latino guy gets years in prison, despite only being convicted of one crime, which he plead out on. The disparity is there.

In fact, this guy has a habit of presiding over sexual assault cases and allowing deeply troubling shit to go down: like the time he felt that provocative pictures of a 17-year old girl were deeply necessary evidence in her gang-rape case. Because who would want to rule favorably for a slut, right?

[rexbeccarox]

Here is the Change.org petition to remove him.

https://www.change.org/p/california-stat...ron-persky

[Joods]

I signed it. Good to know that over 1.3 million people think that scum needs to be impeached ASAP.

[account_inactive]

I'd sign it if I could, but it's obviously a US thing so I don't think I can.

[abaris]

Are you saying that actually happened, or that you're just guessing?

I would say it's a good guess. Either that guy is anti women, then a black guy committing a crime against some woman could get away with an equally lenient sentence. Or he's pro white male, privileged male for that matter, since both guys he sent away with a slap on their wrists don't seem to be poor, given their background.

Many possibilities, but I get the feeling this guy wouldn't do the same for underprivileged people.

[Aoi Magi]

This guys needs to be impeached... like yesterday

[Little lunch]

I honestly don't understand how so many women in the world can be raped without their father going and slitting the perpetrator's throat.
Or cutting their dicks off and burning them alive.

[TheRealJoeFish]

Isn't it funny how judges are meant to be really well respected in the community.
To me, if you're a judge, you are scumbag number one right at the bottom of the shit pile.
Lawyers come next.

Well, that's... upsetting to me.  I understand, though.  I swear to almighty Atheismo I'm one of the good ones!

In terms of this judge, I'm thoroughly disgusted (more so than I already was with the Turner case).  Here are my thoughts after reading the article:

1. This (s)ucker needs to be voted out at the first opportunity.  That's not impeached, that's not retained at the end of his term (I'll get to why I think this is an important distinction in a moment).  In most states, judges are elected to an initial term of 5 to 10 years (in California it's 6 years), and at the end of that term, they're subject to a retention vote.  That usually consists of an entry on the ballot in the (local, regional, statewide) election that says "Should Judge X be retained for another term of Y years?" and a Yes/No option.  It's uncommon - though not exceedingly so - for a judge to not be retained unless there's a devoted campaign to get people to vote "No".

Judicial autonomy is really really important, and it's also important that a judge's rulings - even if they're awful - not be grounds for immediate removal from office, even if a ton of people want him out, unless they're actually illegal, because such a process could just as easily be used for extremely partisan political grounds or to turn the judiciary into the enforcement arm of public opinion.  It's also really really important that, after his term expires and he's up for retention, people get off their butts and vote "No" in droves.

2. This also seems like a case where the DA's office did a really crappy job, or, if nothing else, a severe disservice to this woman and the rest of the public they're supposed to serve.  A quick primer: the way a plea deal works is that the defendant agrees to plead guilty to a lesser charge rather than going to trial on the original charge.  The DA can recommend a sentence to the judge, who is under no obligation to accept it (even after the defendant pleads guilty). 

Now, I'm rather pro-plea deal: if everything went to trial (or, if even 20% of cases went to trial instead of the 1% to 3% currently estimated), the system would run stupidly slowly (instead of just troublingly slowly), we'd need way more judges and lawyers (no one wants that, amirite, LL? ) and it would cost a ton of money to ensure people get their constitutionally guaranteed speedy trial. 

That being said, I think there probably are too few cases going to trial, maybe if only by a factor of 2.  Even without bringing more cases to trial, there are a few ways to make sure situations like this - where the DA's office agrees to an excessively lenient plea deal - are minimized:
a) Elect better District Attorneys.
b) Elect judges who are more willing to reject bad plea deals or differ from the DA's recommended sentence.  Initially, this may raise the number of trials anyway, as defense attorneys tell their clients "there's a chance the judge will sentence you for more than the DA wants, so go to trial"; soon, though, as the attorneys get overworked, they'll continue to be pressured to plea, and will start working to make more worthwhile plea deals.
c) This is the big one: whether it be preferred or mandatory, give victims of violence veto power on the plea deal.  If we're going to have more cases go to trial, they should be cases where a person who's been victimized wants to make sure of his/her own safety and the safety of the public going forward.  I was just involved with a case where a homicide suspect agreed to a plea for 25-50 years in prison (taking it down from a life sentence if convicted).  The DA asked the victim's family for their input, and they indicated they would not be satisfied with anything less than life in prison, so the DA's office withdrew the offer and proceeded to trial.  The guy was convicted.  This should be standard operating procedure for domestic abuse, murder/attempted murder, rape, and so on.

3. A state's Judicial Conduct Board isn't going to be able to do anything about decisions made in the exercise of the judge's legal discretion, however terrible they may be.  Things like sentencing too heavily or too leniently, incorrectly admitting or excluding evidence, or things like that are not in the ambit of the conduct review board (nor should they be; see above).  Things like courtroom demeanor, corruption, and crappy ethics, however, are their bread and butter.  Treating a victim rudely, especially the victim of a violent crime, is going to be... frowned upon.  Whether California's ethics guidelines and conduct board have any teeth is something I don't really know (I would guess that, in a state like California, they probably do).  If there is a pattern of poor behavior towards victims of crimes, especially for reasons like not having English as a first language, I would imagine that's something the conduct board will look into.  Penalties could include public reprimand, suspension, additional supervision, or removal from office (although it's very hard to get the conduct board to kick you off the bench).

I don't know if any of that clears anything up or makes things less clear or whatnot.  Let me know if there are any further questions.

[Divinity]

I honestly don't understand how so many women in the world can be raped without their father going and slitting the perpetrator's throat.
Or cutting their dicks off and burning them alive.

Because that you'd actually go to jail for life for.

Which is why if it ever happens to one of my kids or grandkids, I'll become a pig farmer because pigs will eat anything.

[Joods]

Thanks TRJF. That actually makes a ton of sense. Too bad you aren't located in PA. I could use some help right about now.