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Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
#21
RE: Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
(August 5, 2016 at 8:39 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Maybe.

And maybe some of the progressives that see it will look up the movement, see their goals, and find a way to help. The people like you who refuse to do any research and find out what they are really protesting, the people who could possibly say something as short-sighted as "calling the police in the UK racist and the usual nonsense BLM spouts" aren't the targets. You weren't going to give them a serious thought anyways.

The goal is simple, to not fear getting shot by police because I'm black. As a person who has had a service weapon pulled on him because I didn't ask permission to reach into my glovebox for my insurance card during a traffic stop, I'd say you can fucking get over being inconvenienced on a motorway, or join in to make it stop so you won't be inconvenienced any more.

I know full well what BLM are protesting. I've been following the movement since basically day one, keeping up to date with tweets and articles from people like Deray and Shaun King.

I watched all of the live streams of the earlier BLM protests. I think it's terrible that you got a service weapon pulled on you, and there's definitely prejudice within certain US police forces -- but disrupting innocent people on motorways while they are travelling to work or whatever isn't going to help your cause.

I'm sympathetic with some of the aims of BLM, but not their methods of protest.
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#22
RE: Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
(August 5, 2016 at 8:31 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Pissing off motorists isn't exactly going to do any good for their movement. They're just gonna think "these guys are a bunch of cunts" and eventually move on with their day.
But the pissed off motorists are merely the 'collateral damage', they have got their protest picked up by most news outlets in the UK including the nationals and the bbc, massively raising awareness of their cause (hopefully now they will make it clear exactly what that cause is).
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#23
RE: Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
(August 5, 2016 at 8:48 am)Bella Morte Wrote:
(August 5, 2016 at 8:39 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Maybe.

And maybe some of the progressives that see it will look up the movement, see their goals, and find a way to help. The people like you who refuse to do any research and find out what they are really protesting, the people who could possibly say something as short-sighted as "calling the police in the UK racist and the usual nonsense BLM spouts" aren't the targets. You weren't going to give them a serious thought anyways.

The goal is simple, to not fear getting shot by police because I'm black. As a person who has had a service weapon pulled on him because I didn't ask permission to reach into my glovebox for my insurance card during a traffic stop, I'd say you can fucking get over being inconvenienced on a motorway, or join in to make it stop so you won't be inconvenienced any more.

I know full well what BLM are protesting. I've been following the movement since basically day one, keeping up to date with tweets and articles from people like Deray and Shaun King.

I watched all of the live streams of the earlier BLM protests. I think it's terrible that you got a service weapon pulled on you, and there's definitely prejudice within certain US police forces -- but disrupting innocent people on motorways while they are travelling to work or whatever isn't going to help your cause.

I'm sympathetic with some of the aims of BLM, but not their methods of protest.

But it is helping the cause. Disruption is a tried and true method of civil unrest and social change. The people who marched from Selma in the 60's did it. The people who boycotted the bus systems, causing massive underfunding and getting bus routes cut and having buses not getting repaired did it. The people who sat at lunch counters and marched in streets throughout the South did it. All the while, people were screaming to get them out of the streets, run them over, and they cheered when the fire hoses were brought out and the German Shepherds unleashed. BLM is taking the page right out of John Lewis' playbook.

People don't like being disrupted. As such it has a proven track record of bringing about social change. Now with any movement, there are people who will bastardize the cause and do damage to the goals of the movement. Especially one so large as BLM.
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#24
RE: Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
My bolding:

Quote:The campaigners said they aim to highlight "the struggle for black lives in the UK and shutdown state-sanctioned racialised sexism, Islamophobia, classism, ableism, homophobia and transphobia", adding: "We fight for liberation."

I know nothing about BLM but the bolded part demonstrates to me that they're a positive and progressive movement. They're against all forms of bigotry, not just racism. This isn't the black equivalent of "white power!" or any shit like that.

Being anti-transphobia is always a sign of a particularly progressive movement IMO... nowadays there are many people who aren't homophobic but are still prejudiced against trans.
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#25
RE: Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
To me liberalism is a sign of progressiveness. I don't know how liberal this group is so I can't comment.
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#26
RE: Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
And..just a little thing.. I've heard a lot of people (including many of my relatives who are older and from the south) complain that they should be doing "real protests" like picketing police offices and protesting on city hall steps and all the 'normal' routes of airing their grievances. They seem to have forgotten that black communities have been doing that for decades and we're still stuck in our current situation. The 'normal' routes of protest have failed them so far, so I can understand why they might turn to something more striking or disruptive.
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#27
RE: Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
(August 5, 2016 at 9:07 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: To me liberalism is a sign of progressiveness. I don't know how liberal this group is so I can't comment.

Well, it's a decentralised movement. So it's bound to have a mix.
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#28
RE: Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
(August 5, 2016 at 8:58 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(August 5, 2016 at 8:48 am)Bella Morte Wrote: I know full well what BLM are protesting. I've been following the movement since basically day one, keeping up to date with tweets and articles from people like Deray and Shaun King.

I watched all of the live streams of the earlier BLM protests. I think it's terrible that you got a service weapon pulled on you, and there's definitely prejudice within certain US police forces -- but disrupting innocent people on motorways while they are travelling to work or whatever isn't going to help your cause.

I'm sympathetic with some of the aims of BLM, but not their methods of protest.

But it is helping the cause. Disruption is a tried and true method of civil unrest and social change. The people who marched from Selma in the 60's did it. The people who boycotted the bus systems, causing massive underfunding and getting bus routes cut and having buses not getting repaired did it. The people who sat at lunch counters and marched in streets throughout the South did it. All the while, people were screaming to get them out of the streets, run them over, and they cheered when the fire hoses were brought out and the German Shepherds unleashed. BLM is taking the page right out of John Lewis' playbook.

People don't like being disrupted. As such it has a proven track record of bringing about social change. Now with any movement, there are people who will bastardize the cause and do damage to the goals of the movement. Especially one so large as BLM.

I don't always agree with it, but I can respect it.

Have you attended any protests yourself?
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#29
RE: Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
(August 5, 2016 at 9:02 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: My bolding:

Quote:The campaigners said they aim to highlight "the struggle for black lives in the UK and shutdown state-sanctioned racialised sexism, Islamophobia, classism, ableism, homophobia and transphobia", adding: "We fight for liberation."

I know nothing about BLM but the bolded part demonstrates to me that they're a positive and progressive movement. They're against all forms of bigotry, not just racism. This isn't the black equivalent of "white power!" or any shit like that.

Being anti-transphobia is always a sign of a particularly progressive movement IMO... nowadays there are many people who aren't homophobic but are still prejudiced against trans.

But to what 'state-sanctioned racialised sexism, Islamophobia, classism, ableism, homophobia and transphobia' are they referring? I am not aware of any state-sanctioned instances of the above in the UK against any race, let alone any targeted against black people in particular.
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#30
RE: Black lives matter protestors block roads in the uk
(August 5, 2016 at 9:11 am)Bella Morte Wrote:
(August 5, 2016 at 8:58 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: But it is helping the cause. Disruption is a tried and true method of civil unrest and social change. The people who marched from Selma in the 60's did it. The people who boycotted the bus systems, causing massive underfunding and getting bus routes cut and having buses not getting repaired did it. The people who sat at lunch counters and marched in streets throughout the South did it. All the while, people were screaming to get them out of the streets, run them over, and they cheered when the fire hoses were brought out and the German Shepherds unleashed. BLM is taking the page right out of John Lewis' playbook.

People don't like being disrupted. As such it has a proven track record of bringing about social change. Now with any movement, there are people who will bastardize the cause and do damage to the goals of the movement. Especially one so large as BLM.

I don't always agree with it, but I can respect it.

Have you attended any protests yourself?
I went to the Selma anniversary march in 2015 with my little brother. I also attended a community meet and greet organized by a BLM group, sort of a 'meet your local black person and ask questions.'
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