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RE: You must seek something else, or something is seriously wrong with you
August 7, 2016 at 2:55 am
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(August 6, 2016 at 5:47 am)chimp3 Wrote: AtlasS33: This argument is one that I am quite familiar with. Threat of Hellfire, Judgement, Wrath of God upon us while we still live in this world. It is nothing new. Fundamentalist Christians everywhere regurgitate the same old chyme everyday. That is all Islam is. Regurgitated slop from the Old and New Testament. Ever been to a Baptist or Pentacostal funeral? Probably not , but your post sounds exactly like the eulogy you would hear at such an occasion. Change a few words of course. Nothing special.
There is no hell in the OT.
(August 6, 2016 at 6:10 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (August 5, 2016 at 11:42 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The classic argument/excuse goes like this: how do I know that God exists? why would I search for such an existence?
Uhm... That is not an argument, nor an excuse. Those are in fact TWO questions. And the answers are pretty simple:
1. I don't know that god exists and neither do you.
2. Exactly. I wouldn't search for existence of god. It's a futile pursuit of fantasy, for people who desperately want to be some sky-daddy's little b*tches and thereby avoid responsibility for their own lives.
(August 5, 2016 at 11:42 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The answer is in this Quranic verse:[...]
...Aaand you lost me. If I need your book of nonsense, in order to know why I should search for your imaginary friend then obviously - I don't need your god, or your book. It's an obvious scam - the same book, that invents the "problem" - offers the "solution". Yeah, thanks, but the way I see it - if I stay away from the damn Quran, I have no need for Allah. And vice versa. You can believe and still take responsibility for your own life. Not all Christians mess up or have something good happen and look to the heavens.
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RE: You must seek something else, or something is seriously wrong with you
August 7, 2016 at 4:32 am
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(August 7, 2016 at 2:55 am)KJV-reader Wrote: You can believe and still take responsibility for your own life.
No only you can, but you HAVE TO. That's why I said searching for the invisible, omnipotent sky-daddy is a futile pursuit - you never find him. Because our responsibility for our lives is a real thing, while god, controlling reality - is not.
People who believe in god are just kidding themselves (because the fantasy is emotionally pleasing), all the while behaving as if there was no god - fastening their seat-belts, looking both ways before crossing the street and so on.
(August 7, 2016 at 2:55 am)KJV-reader Wrote: Not all Christians mess up or have something good happen and look to the heavens.
That doesn't matter. Abrahamic religions all presuppose the existence of an omnipotent, all-knowing being, who created and controls the universe according to some sort of plan and who knows the future - that means your perceived responsibility for whatever happens is greatly diminished. Of course - theists usually only credit god with whatever happens to them, if it's convenient. As I mentioned before - irrational people are not in any way consistent and have little-to-no appreciation for logic, but are very skilled at cherry-picking and holding contradictory beliefs.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: You must seek something else, or something is seriously wrong with you
August 7, 2016 at 5:04 am
Everything you believe must be questioned and tested, otherwise how can you know that it is true?
Blind faith is just stupid.
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RE: You must seek something else, or something is seriously wrong with you
August 7, 2016 at 7:52 am
(August 7, 2016 at 2:55 am)KJV-reader Wrote: (August 6, 2016 at 5:47 am)chimp3 Wrote: AtlasS33: This argument is one that I am quite familiar with. Threat of Hellfire, Judgement, Wrath of God upon us while we still live in this world. It is nothing new. Fundamentalist Christians everywhere regurgitate the same old chyme everyday. That is all Islam is. Regurgitated slop from the Old and New Testament. Ever been to a Baptist or Pentacostal funeral? Probably not , but your post sounds exactly like the eulogy you would hear at such an occasion. Change a few words of course. Nothing special.
There is no hell in the OT.
I beg to differ Mr KJV reader . From Isaiah (KJV):
1 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
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