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RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 23, 2010 at 9:56 am
(August 23, 2010 at 7:54 am)Tiberius Wrote: Quote mining is dishonest because you are taking what people have said out of the context in which they said it. Like the Darwin quote about the eye, where he says he cannot see any way for it to have evolved. Creationists point to this to make the point that even Darwin doubted his belief in evolution. The problem is, the quote is only partial, and if you place it back into its original context, you can see that Darwin was talking about possible objections to his theory, and he goes on to say that he doesn't think it is a valid one.
then he should show, that my quote was cited out of context.
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RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 23, 2010 at 10:58 am
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RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 23, 2010 at 1:22 pm
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RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 23, 2010 at 1:46 pm
(August 23, 2010 at 1:22 pm)NoGodaloud ? Wrote: And secondly, its not wrong to cite authorities, when they are specialists in their fiels. What Hawking undoubtly is.
It wouldn't be wrong if he were talking about physics. His views on God, however, are irrelevant, for two people can have the same scientific facts and come to a different conclusion. God's existence still requires philosophical demonstration based on the scientific facts.
'We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.' H.L. Mencken
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
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RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 23, 2010 at 2:10 pm
(August 23, 2010 at 1:22 pm)NoGodaloud ? Wrote: And secondly, its not wrong to cite authorities, when they are specialists in their fiels. What Hawking undoubtly is. It is when you use that authority to somehow make a statement of truth on something. It doesn't matter if the authority is a specialist in the field they are talking about; it is a fallacy to say "because X says Y, and X is an authority on Y, Y is true".
It might be more likely to be true, but you cannot use it in an absolute sense.
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RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 23, 2010 at 2:57 pm
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If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
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August 23, 2010 at 3:21 pm
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RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 23, 2010 at 3:34 pm
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Trying to show science shortcomings won't prove the god you defined exist, nogodaloud sorry. I hate to say it to you: You are doing it wrong,
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RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 23, 2010 at 3:43 pm
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 23, 2010 at 4:06 pm
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