Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: 23rd November 2017, 01:35

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
What would evidence of a God even look like?
RE: What would evidence of a God even look like?
(24th August 2016, 11:03)Rhythm Wrote: You're forgetting the mysterious ways, free wills, and constant stream of miracles (like appearing on toast, finding wallets and keys, or filling the coffers of churches -just- when the pastors were almost ready to declare bankruptcy).

Wink

You fuckin' wit me?  Yeah. . . you fuckin' wit me. Tongue
Reply
RE: What would evidence of a God even look like?
(21st August 2016, 18:39)PETE_ROSE Wrote: How about God writes a book explaining history, the creation of the world, and informs us what the future will hold.

After that He  comes to live with us for 3 decades, models the perfect life and fulfills the prophecies stated in His book.

Sounds slightly more compelling than a giant rock.

A book that explains history but leaves out (and seems utterly ignorant of) the vast majority of people around the world? How parochial of you, God! Don't even get me started on the alleged Exodus.

An explanation of creation that actually explains nothing and manages to get certain things glaringly, laughably wrong? Thanks for the clear insight, God!

Fortune telling? Now that's fun! But then again, figuring out that a couple of relative backwater shitholes like Israel and Judah would come under the thumb of the Assyrians or the Babylonians doesn't strike me as notably prescient. Oh, you mean the Messiah? Talk to the Jews about that one.

As for Jesus, is it really so hard to comprehend the notion of a narrative being retrofitted to "fulfill" some set of alleged prophesies, or are you normally this credulous? Good grief! In any case, as I said, take it up with the Jews. I mean, it was their holy book. Hell, they might actually know which 'prophecies' concerned the Messiah and which didn't. They might even know what the passages meant. The largely Gentile church that co-opted Hebrew scripture for its own purposes was hardly a model of integrity when it came to approaching such things.
Reply
RE: What would evidence of a God even look like?
(21st August 2016, 18:39)PETE_ROSE Wrote: How about God writes a book explaining history, the creation of the world, and informs us what the future will hold.

I didn't know we had that?

All I see is a book that people CLAIM is what you say it is.

The fact is, that the Bible is not evidence for the claim, it is the claim.

Quote:After that He  comes to live with us for 3 decades, models the perfect life and fulfills the prophecies stated in His book.

Or so the believers claim.

And don't get me started on the supposed 'prophecies'. There are so many reasons why they don't hold up as credible.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
Reply
RE: What would evidence of a God even look like?
(14th August 2016, 21:29)Arkilogue Wrote:
(14th August 2016, 17:14)Excited Penguin Wrote: My argument goes like this. If there's a God that created the Universe(the Universe being everything in existence) then this God is either a part of the Universe or the Universe itself. It can't be merely a part of it, since it created it, so it must be the Universe itself. But then, there's no use calling it God. You might as well do away with the shady language and call it what it is. Nature, Universe, Cosmos. Whatever your secular preference.

Thoughts?

The dominating aspect of universal existence is space itself, occupied by and extremely small amount of mass found in a regular basic pattern: The Atom.  Even that is mostly space.

"God" could be an extant infinite substance (absolute matter) that moved to make the space of the universe. Which in equal/opposite reaction flung an extremely small amount of itself into motion and form within the universe.

The consciousness of God would be the energetic movement that an extant infinite supports as a vibrational body with no border.

"God in the Highest" remains outside relative space time.

Sounds to me that all this verbiage is just a reductionism into Panpsychism:

Quote:Strawson has argued that what he calls realistic physicalism entails panpsychism. He writes that "as a real physicalist, then, I hold that the mental/experiential is physical." He quotes the physicist Arthur Eddington in support of his position as follows: "If we must embed our schedule of indicator readings in some kind of background, at least let us accept the only hint we have received as to the significance of the background – namely that it has a nature capable of manifesting itself as a mental activity." The editor of the Journal of Consciousness Studies, Anthony Freeman, notes that panpsychism is regarded by many as either "plain crazy, or else a direct route back to animism and superstition." Panpsychism, however, has a long tradition in western thought.

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen_Strawson
We do not change our minds. Our minds change us.
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  No need for evidence purplepurpose 8 331 9th November 2017, 00:40
Last Post: Khemikal
  I'd like to ask my fellow atheists if they would be happy to learn there was a god. Whateverist 88 2049 4th September 2017, 01:27
Last Post: Astonished
  I would like some advise Hammok Man 78 3198 8th August 2017, 09:48
Last Post: mordant
  Even in darkest times here is something that made me smile dyresand 3 413 17th May 2017, 10:01
Last Post: Anomalocaris
  I would believe in God if... Won2blv 65 2000 6th April 2017, 15:29
Last Post: Jeanne
  Would you like to be immortal? Little Rik 188 4535 20th February 2017, 08:43
Last Post: Little Rik
  Matt Dilahunty On What Would Change His Mind About God Hammy 14 844 29th January 2017, 13:12
Last Post: Cyberman
  Evidence for the existence of God Yadayadayada 145 4940 21st January 2017, 09:03
Last Post: downbeatplumb
  What would you consider to be evidence for God? Psychonaut 591 71657 29th December 2016, 15:53
Last Post: Astreja
  "God doesn't Exist just like Unicorns don't Exist?" RiddledWithFear 17 693 21st December 2016, 11:17
Last Post: Mister Agenda



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)