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Lust, sex, random thought
RE: Lust, sex, random thought
(August 22, 2016 at 8:29 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: I think I am done here EP.  I'm up for conversation but this guy is obnoxious, and I am having difficulty restraining myself.  Maybe he is having a bad day, I dunno.  Nothing will be gained and I would regret responding in a negative way.  Let's crack open a beer EP; I'll have a Leinenkugel, what are you drinking?

Nothing, ATM. But you enjoy your beer.
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RE: Lust, sex, random thought
(August 22, 2016 at 7:55 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: Speak slow so I can understand you.  Keeping sex, between two people, within the institution of marriage, is the cause of sexual promiscuity, children being born out of wedlock, and the demise of the nuclear family?


It's almost as if your indoctrination has disabled your mind's ability to evaluate anything without being filtered through said indoctrination. Rolleyes

Think about it. You're trying to run your mind, in the modern world, using Bronze Age software.

The same software that believed: the earth was the center of the universe, there was a dome over the earth, you could cure leprosy with the blood of birds, you could breed striped sheep by having them mate in front of poles painted with stripes...

So sad...

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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Lust, sex, random thought
Pete, irrational fears and biases come with having children. I can personally attest to that. I used to have myself convinced that my son (who was 1 at the time) was going to somehow unlock the bathroom door, pick up our box fan, throw it in the toilet and electrocute himself. This was not a fear grounded in reality in any way. Maybe that's a stupid example, but my point is, it's alright if you don't want to think of your daughters as the cliche "whore" getting hammered and banging a different stranger every night. But, you can't generalize your personal biases across the general population, and you can't make assertions that aren't supported by the facts which, in this case, they clearly are NOT. That doesn't mean you are expected to be suddenly okay with the idea of your baby girl having a longer partners list then your sluttiest male college friends, just keep in mind there is a difference between facts and feelings.
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RE: Lust, sex, random thought
Interestingly, being able to overcome those fears and biases...and horrendous personal judgements...might actually be the very thing required to have a meaningful relationship with ones daughter as an equal, as a human being.  To be able to successfully navigate whatever situation happened to be the instigator of that personal tick in a way that produces beneficial outcomes for both one's self...-and- one's daughter.

But don't take my word for it, I'm an obnoxious know-nothing, whose efforts and attempts at a productive discussion aren't worth wasting your time on. Wink
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I can also assure you that the more pressure you put on your kids, the worse this is going to be. The majority of teens are just going to have sex whether you like it or not. We have solid statistics on that these days, so just accept it. If they feel they have to hide that from you, they are going to be far less safe about it. Do you want to be the kind of parent who is there for your kid or not?

I can play emotional games too.
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RE: Lust, sex, random thought
(August 22, 2016 at 8:29 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: I think I am done here EP.  I'm up for conversation but this guy is obnoxious, and I am having difficulty restraining myself.  Maybe he is having a bad day, I dunno.  Nothing will be gained and I would regret responding in a negative way.  Let's crack open a beer EP; I'll have a Leinenkugel, what are you drinking?

Maybe you should try reading responses, rather than straw manning them?

Just a thought.
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RE: Lust, sex, random thought
(August 22, 2016 at 8:29 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: I think I am done here EP. I'm up for conversation but this guy is obnoxious, and I am having difficulty restraining myself. Maybe he is having a bad day, I dunno. Nothing will be gained and I would regret responding in a negative way. Let's crack open a beer EP; I'll have a Leinenkugel, what are you drinking?

"Done"? You haven't even started addressing the points put to you by Rhythm and others ... other than wave off the statistics put to you.

"Done"!

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RE: Lust, sex, random thought
(August 22, 2016 at 9:03 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(August 22, 2016 at 8:29 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: I think I am done here EP.  I'm up for conversation but this guy is obnoxious, and I am having difficulty restraining myself.  Maybe he is having a bad day, I dunno.  Nothing will be gained and I would regret responding in a negative way.  Let's crack open a beer EP; I'll have a Leinenkugel, what are you drinking?

"Done"? You haven't even started addressing the points put to you by Rhythm and others ... other than wave off the statistics put to you.

"Done"!

I'm not surprised. They're inconvenient to his worldview.
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RE: Lust, sex, random thought
(August 22, 2016 at 8:16 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: Again, a random thought and my observation.

Except that you weren't offering an observation. You were making baseless claims.

Examples:
(August 22, 2016 at 8:16 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: God gave us love, lust, sexual desire and feelings.

He also lays out a responsible and acceptable outlet for those emotions.

Sexual promiscuity and the like have led to all manner of death and destruction and social collapse.

If people kept sex monogamous and within the institution of marriage, the world would be much better off.

I doubt those people have daughters (and mothers, but even Hitler had a mom) and want them to be sexually promiscuous town sluts, with a dozen children from a dozen men. Which can and would happen regardless of precautions or such. You don't need me to say this is wrong and immoral.
(emphasis is mine)

Baseless claim after baseless claim. Care to provide evidence for any of it?!? Hell, the bolded claim has been disputed by several, including myself, in this very thread.

All you did with your OP, Pete, is preach your buy-bull based morality to people who don't buy into your religious mind-set.
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RE: Lust, sex, random thought
(August 22, 2016 at 9:05 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(August 22, 2016 at 9:03 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: "Done"? You haven't even started addressing the points put to you by Rhythm and others ... other than wave off the statistics put to you.

"Done"!

I'm not surprised. They're inconvenient to his worldview.

Change is a difficult and sometimes painful process.

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