Origin of evil

[Banjo]

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Evil is a word created by human beings. No other animals use it.

[Brian37]

I hate Christians and Muslims and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists fucking hiding behind the words "race" or "ethnic" or "culture". No, they are all religions. You cant leave your skin tone or facial features, but you can leave one religion for another or leave religion altogether.

Hating Jews just because is fucking stupid. Hating Muslims just because is also fucking stupid. Our species is much older than any written religion or boarders. In 5 billion years humans will be long extinct when the sun expands and fries our planet. The universe will continue on without any record of us or the religions we have concocted.

It is reasonable to hate violence affecting you. It is reasonable to question the powers that affect you. It is bullshit however, in this day and age to think one label on a planet of 7 billion is always the victim. Minority/majority are geographical, and ANYONE of any label can be a victim depending on geography or a abuser depending on geography. But one thing that has not changed is that we are NOT a separate species.

Can Jews be abusive? Yes. Can Muslims be abusive? Yes. Can Christians be abusive yes. All religions worldwide should be treated like a volcano. Not because all religious people get violent. But because religion itself is a horrible way of fostering diplomacy. The best our species can do is stop thinking one label is special or get to claim a patent on victimhood or a patent on morality.

There is not one nation friend or foe alike, that does not have hospitals or prisons.

[abaris]

This is where the problem lies. It is a bit like those who follow Ken Ham when they do not want to listen to anything else, regardless of the overwhelming facts that are available. There is only one solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. That is, to elect someone who is of Palestinian origin, who will work with Israel and is genuine in their efforts. We all know that Israel will always be on their guard, however, with an agreement similar to the entente cordiale between England and France, then maybe something positive can finally come out of it. In fact, should religion ever die out in that area, then they would be able to live together in harmony.

You know, you have to try to walk in their shoes. Entire generations grew up with the conflict and without any hope for their own lives. I don't blame them for falling for the ones providing for them. Even more so since Abbas is just a tool, not being able to land even a single success story to his name. Israelis grew up with the conflict too. But they are, for the most part, well fed and have their own corner of the world.

I grew up with the conflict too. As an outside observer. It was an entirely secular conflict over land until 1987, the first Intifada. Religion didn't play into it. At least not in a leading role. I remember the 7 days war because of personal involvement. My parents did an Israel cruise right when it broke out. They made it home safely, but it stuck. Even the name of the (Israeli) ship stuck. Molleded. At least that's how it was spelled, I'm probably getting the wording wrong here.

I went from an outright admirer of Israel and kissing the ground they walked on, over dabbling in nazicism when I grew older, mostly out of protest because in my family the Holocaust was always present, to have a rather critical view of Israeli policy without denying Israel the right to exist. Now I think, both sides are at fault and I'm convinced that there won't be any solution as long as Netanjahu is in power. My criticism is entirely political though and certainly not on the lines of blaming all the jews. That would be suicidal in any case, since I'm half jewish by the standards of Hitler admirers.

[RobertE]

This is where the problem lies. It is a bit like those who follow Ken Ham when they do not want to listen to anything else, regardless of the overwhelming facts that are available. There is only one solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. That is, to elect someone who is of Palestinian origin, who will work with Israel and is genuine in their efforts. We all know that Israel will always be on their guard, however, with an agreement similar to the entente cordiale between England and France, then maybe something positive can finally come out of it. In fact, should religion ever die out in that area, then they would be able to live together in harmony.

You know, you have to try to walk in their shoes. Entire generations grew up with the conflict and without any hope for their own lives. I don't blame them for falling for the ones providing for them. Even more so since Abbas is just a tool, not being able to land even a single success story to his name. Israelis grew up with the conflict too. But they are, for the most part, well fed and have their own corner of the world.

I grew up with the conflict too. As an outside observer. It was an entirely secular conflict over land until 1987, the first Intifada. Religion didn't play into it. At least not in a leading role. I remember the 7 days war because of personal involvement. My parents did an Israel cruise right when it broke out. They made it home safely, but it stuck. Even the name of the (Israeli) ship stuck. Molleded. At least that's how it was spelled, I'm probably getting the wording wrong here.

I went from an outright admirer of Israel and kissing the ground they walked on, over dabbling in nazicism when I grew older, mostly out of protest because in my family the Holocaust was always present, to have a rather critical view of Israeli policy without denying Israel the right to exist. Now I think, both sides are at fault and I'm convinced that there won't be any solution as long as Netanjahu is in power. My criticism is entirely political though and certainly not on the lines of blaming all the jews. That would be suicidal in any case, since I'm half jewish by the standards of Hitler admirers.

I cannot add anything here that hasn't been said already. Very honest and sincere post. Get Netanjahu and Abbas out, and there might be a way forward.

[Pat Mustard]

The Palestinians are on the ass end at least since 1948. They were always intrumentalised by the Arab nations, by the West. Sometimes willing tools, sometimes just on the receiving end, sometimes perpetrators.

But I see a major mistake in criminalising Arafat back in the day. Yes, he commissioned acts of terrorism, but terrorism had a different look in the 70ies and 80ies. It wasn't geared at killing as many as possible, but to blackmail and to draw attention to the cause. It was only after Arafat's demise that Hamas was really able to take over. And that's a two sided medal in itself. The people being at the ass end of sanctions and closed borders only see Hamas providing hospitals, schools and food. They, as is natural with people in need, don't look beyond the positives. They don't care what they stand for. Only for what they provide.

(Bold is mine (Am I doing this correctly?))

This is where the problem lies. It is a bit like those who follow Ken Ham when they do not want to listen to anything else, regardless of the overwhelming facts that are available. There is only one solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. That is, to elect someone who is of Palestinian origin, who will work with Israel and is genuine in their efforts. We all know that Israel will always be on their guard, however, with an agreement similar to the entente cordiale between England and France, then maybe something positive can finally come out of it. In fact, should religion ever die out in that area, then they would be able to live together in harmony.

The problem is largely of Israel's making. For most of the country's history there was (and is) nobody in a position of power willing to even talk, let alone make the neccessay climbdowns to generate a proper Israeli-Palestinian peace. And even in the few instances where a major Israeli politician was willing to talk the onus was on the Palestinians to make concessions, despite being the wronged party.

The best exemplar of Israel's attitude is that Hamas is largely an Israeli creation. Without Israeli shelter in Gaza and tons of Mossad money, Hamas would never have got off the ground.

[abaris]

For most of the country's history there was (and is) nobody in a position of power willing to even talk, let alone make the neccessay climbdowns to generate a proper Israeli-Palestinian peace.

Not true. Menachem Begin and Saddat, Menachem Begin and Arafat, Jitzchak Rabin brokering peace with Jordan and being on his way to reach some kind of agreement with the Palestinians before getting killed by a home made nutjob. Even Sharon wthdrew from Gaza.

It's only this last adminstration under Netanjahu that's totally against any kind of serious negotiations. The reasons are clear, since Netanjahu is in a coalition with the jewish fundamentalist Schas party and they haven't got any interest in brokering a peace deal or give up even a yard of the occupied territories.

[Pat Mustard]

For most of the country's history there was (and is) nobody in a position of power willing to even talk, let alone make the neccessay climbdowns to generate a proper Israeli-Palestinian peace.

Not true. Menachem Begin and Saddat, Menachem Begin and Arafat, Jitzchak Rabin brokering peace with Jordan and being on his way to reach some kind of agreement with the Palestinians before getting killed by a home made nutjob. Even Sharon wthdrew from Gaza.

It's only this last adminstration under Netanjahu that's totally against any kind of serious negotiations. The reasons are clear, since Netanjahu is in a coalition with the jewish fundamentalist Schas party and they haven't got any interest in brokering a peace deal or give up even a yard of the occupied territories.

Begin didn't speak to the Palestinians, he spoke to the Egyptians. He essentially traded Gaza to Egypt for a free reign in the West Bank. Rabin was the only one who actually spoke to Palestinian groups, but the Oslo accords hammered out ended up giving Palestine less land than they were legally entitled to under international law at the time. And before Begin's time, Israel's attitude to Palestine was, essentially, "unleash the Stern Group on them"

My point still stands, that even when in the very rare instances where Israel was willing to speak to Palestine, the prequesite for such talks were for Palestine to give up its rights and land before talks could commence.

[Harris]

This response is yet another good example of systematic ignoring of my question. I repeat:
“For the sake of argument, I agree that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a forged document. If it is indeed a forged document, then it is the only forged document that is translated in almost all languages of the world.

No, it isn't. But to find that out, you move your own ass if you please. There are lots and lots of forged documents translated into different languages, starting out with the Constantinian donation. Probably earlier than that.

And it's not for the sake of argument. Either you accept they're a forgery or you disagree with 99.9 of the scientific community. For the sake of argument just makes you more of a moron. Again, move your own ass to look up all the arguments and evidence going against the protocols. Compare them with the arguments - note the absence of evidence here - that go for them. I'm not holding my breath for you to do so, since you gobble up shit when it's brownest for a living.

Saying that Protocols is a forgery does not change anything until you will not offer supporting facts. If I believe that Protocols is an authentic blue print of the Jewish plan to dominate the world by hook and by crook, for that I am also giving logical reasoning such as:

1. It is the most tabooed book in the world because elite of criminals does not want to expose its crime plans to the world.
2. It is a most condemned book and its condemnation is used to create hatred against its text.
3. Different governments in different times tried to supress people by means of gravest threats and in result of their tyranny significant number of people have lost their lives or got imprisonment. People had faced atrocities simply because they possessed or tried to spread the Protocols which is the master plane for the destruction of goyim
4. It is translated in almost all major languages of the world because people want to see the parallels between the Plans of Protocols and the real time affairs
5. It is one of the most read book in the world because people are afraid of becoming the victim of most poisonous plot against humanity.

In 1986 Yajima Kinji, professor of political science at the Christian Aoyama Gakuin University, published a book about how to read the "Hidden Meaning of the Jewish Protocols." He called the Protocols the most mysterious document of the twentieth century, because all its prophecies had been fulfilled, in spite of its being regarded as a forgery.

The Protocols is relevant to the Bolshevik Revolution, World War I, communist Terror, Nazism, World War II, and the ongoing Middle East crisis.

By the way the phrase “For the sake of argument” means, I do believe that Protocols is a genuine and authentic Jewish document

[Harris]

Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is the most read book in the modern history because it warns us of a dystopian future.”

Part of me wants to slam you for being an obvious troll, but a bigger part of me worries about the real human being behind your texts.  Dude, you need to go to a doctor and get meds.  I'm not saying this to troll or to argue.  But some of the things you've said are so clearly different than reality that I really do worry about you.

I think at heart you are a fundamentally good person.  However, you have some ideas stuck in your head that are cancer to you, and I'm not sure you have a clear enough mind to be able to see that.  Seriously, and I'm not joking-- ask your family if they can drive you to a doctor, a MUSLIM doctor even who you and your family really trust.  Tell him some of the things you think, or print out this thread, and ask him for his honest opinion.

As for what you said: I'd almost guarantee that the Bible, the Quran and the Torah are all read about a million times more than the PotLEoZ.

Blaming a normal person for being mentally sick in the process of systematic reasoning is another deceptive trick.

When deceivers are left with no logical reasoning, they start befuddling people by means of speculating unwarranted ideas and trick them into believing unjustified excuses instead of confronting opponent’s arguments head on.

And yes! When all their tricks fail, they are not ashamed to run away. As the old saying goes, “you are a coward for only a moment, but you are dead for the rest of your life.”

Second point, Quran probably is the most read book in the world and considered to be the authentic divine scripture. At least approximately 2 billion Muslims around the world do not think that Quran is a forged or corrupt scripture.

Protocols on the other side is officially tabooed in many nations under the accusation of forgery and after getting such damnation if it is translated in all major languages of the world and have hundreds of millions of readers that is something of unique significance.

[Harris]

Am I getting the impression that Harris is a student of Islam in that he is a convert? I have just read the whole of this thread and he seems to have gone out of his way to somehow disredit the Jews.

You have a wrong impression about me. I am not discrediting Jews indiscriminately. There are good and bad folks everywhere. I am discrediting the Zion policies which are insanely hostile against 99.8% goyim population of the world.

Zionism is a disease called “Fallacy of Superiority” and its consequent foreign policy is against not only the Middle East but against the Entire World.

Most importantly Talmud is the origin of Zionism.