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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 12:29 pm
(August 31, 2016 at 11:47 am)Rhythm Wrote: Hold your horses there sharpshooter. One of the most pernicious and varied disagreements between sects is the issue of christology, and for a cult collective named "christianity"..... that would seem to be quite a disagreement.
Yall didn't start "agreeing" with each other until living memory, as a part of a political paradigm meant to stop the bleeding of authority. The various sectarian groups finally realized, after 300 years or so of infighting...that it was causing people to lose confidence in their ability to make normative proclamations at a broad social level, that it had a negative effect on their relevance, and perhaps more importantly..that it cost them members and thus resources. Better late than never, I guess.
I would disagree with your narrative, but in either case, I think the important question in any claim, is what are the basing this on. What is the reason? When did it come about, and why? Before I came here, I was kicked out of a Christian forum, so I am not denying, that there are disagreements or fringe (heterodox) groups. Some even where a church of one. But the majority is not what is being portrayed here either.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 12:35 pm
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You're all fringe heterodox groups as far as the other fringe heterodox groups are concerned, true christian™.
Let's not pretend that mainliners agree internally either. We've had no end of people who either fail to accept or flat our refuse the catechism, despite being catholics. We've got the snakeman without a soul and monkeyman with a soul theories of original sin...and we have no -idea- how many personal jesi are bouncing around in each of your heads. We watch you disagree with each other without ever addressing each other...even when your varying and contradictory viewpoints present themselves in the same thread.
Such is the nature of your "agreement", majority, minority, or anywhere in between...regadless of which one of you is a true christian, if there is such a thing, or if any of you are such a thing. I can only reiterate what I already said. To claim that you're all, at least, christians (that there's some common thread).....while disagreeing on the very nature of christ..is to say nothing at all.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 12:38 pm
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(August 30, 2016 at 4:39 am)Alex K Wrote: First of all, define non-physical entity, properly. I have the suspicion that it's a nonsense term to begin with...
Oh, that's the easy part, Al. "Non-physical entities" are those which live inside your head.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 1:30 pm
(August 31, 2016 at 12:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You're all fringe heterodox groups as far as the other fringe heterodox groups are concerned, true christian™.
Let's not pretend that mainliners agree internally either. We've had no end of people who either fail to accept or flat our refuse the catechism, despite being catholics. We've got the snakeman without a soul and monkeyman with a soul theories of original sin...and we have no -idea- how many personal jesi are bouncing around in each of your heads. We watch you disagree with each other without ever addressing each other...even when your varying and contradictory viewpoints present themselves in the same thread.
Such is the nature of your "agreement", majority, minority, or anywhere in between...regadless of which one of you is a true christian, if there is such a thing, or if any of you are such a thing. I can only reiterate what I already said. To claim that you're all, at least, christians (that there's some common thread).....while disagreeing on the very nature of christ..is to say nothing at all.
What you describe isn't my experience or belief; and you do have to have orthodoxy, in order to be heterodox. Orthodoxy isn't simply what I believe, nor may all my beliefs are correct. I've learned a lot, and I'm sure that I have more still to learn. And I would not claim that all who profess to be Christians are worthy of that description based on what they believe (and such vast disagreement on the very nature of Christ would traditionally move past heterodoxy, and more into apostate).
As to disagreeing with each other, but not addressing. I didn't come here primarily to discuss theology, and frankly with the attitude and maturity of some of the more vocal posters here, I don't care to.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 1:31 pm
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Right, you think that differences on christology are apostasy, or moving in that direction...but that's the -reason- that there are tens of thousands of christian denominations....suddenly they're all apostates but you guys agree?
Something is amiss. For the record, I'm not commenting on your beliefs, whether or not they're real christian beliefs...I'm just not, I don't care (I don't care if any of your beliefs are really christian, or even true). You have a belief that there is some sort of broad christian agreement. That, is simply not the case. It's something that christianity (and christians)... as a collective, likes to say in the face of opposition...but look at what you just said about all of those dissenters....
Why would it -matter- what the level of maturity of posters around here are, unless those posters are the nominally christian apostates to which we are both referring? Some atheist asshat has jokes...who cares, it;s the christians who advocate for apostasy that you ought to concern yourself with..because as long as you guys remain silent in the face of that, or pretend that it doesn't exist...you can hardly fault the atheist asshat for thinking that you're all full of contradictory shit, right?
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 1:33 pm
(August 31, 2016 at 1:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Right, you think that differences on christology are apostacy, or moving in that direction...but that's the -reason- that there are tens of thousands of christian denominations....suddenly they're all apostates but you guys agree?
No... most are not apostate.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 1:39 pm
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So the issue of christology, doesn't...as you previously indicated, move past heterodoxy and into apostasy after all? Now you're full of contradictory shit without any need for someone else to open their mouth.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 2:22 pm
(August 31, 2016 at 11:39 am)Rhythm Wrote: (August 31, 2016 at 9:19 am)ChadWooters Wrote: No one seriously believes anymore that the world is made of indivisible particles that interact mechanistically.
The above would be atomism, not materialism...but don't let that get in the way of a good rant.
And according to you matter is what exactly?
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 2:25 pm
(August 31, 2016 at 1:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So the issue of christology, doesn't...as you previously indicated, move past heterodoxy and into apostasy after all? Now you're full of contradictory shit without any need for someone else to open their mouth.
No... I just disagree that different denominations, means a different Christology.... which you appear to be claiming. Some differences are merely organizational. Other's have to do with the nature of the church.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 2:28 pm
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Is there some responsibility I have to explain -yet another- thing you don't understand? Will it stop you from saying silly shit? Will you cease conflating atomism with materialism, or pretending that a refutation of one is a refutation of the other, or that either can be refuted by such a ridiculous comment as "no one seriously believes such and such anymore"?
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