Fucking NRA

[abaris]

Manufacturers make a product that people want.

Yeah, but why do they want it?

In all my life I never wanted a gun. I'm on the fence as far as gun ownership is concerned. I'm interested and sometimes even fascinated by weapons and military history. But I don't want every idiot to be entitled to a deadly weapon and I never felt the need to own one. And that's more than 50 years by now.

The USP for selling guns is fear, if you are Joe Ordinary and not a hunter or anyone else needing a gun in their daily lives to fulfill your business.

[The Grand Nudger]

I like to shoot.  I've spent alot of time and money getting good at it.  It;s a perishable skill.  At some point, you may want to shoot a particular target, or within a particular range that your current firearm is not suited for.  Or maybe you want to get into 3-gun competition.  So, like any sport, you buy the gear. I started out with a bb gun. Only a monster tries to kill a deer with a bb gun. It won't reach out to hit a long range pop-up. So, you get a 22 (probably a pellet gun between bb and 22). The 22 -can- hit the target at range...still dicey for deer (but you can get a squirrel). So you step up again. Maybe you branch out. a 20g shotgun (slugs for deer, shot for fowl)...all of this depends on the laws in your state and hunting season restrictions. Maybe you want to hunt early, you'll need a black powder rifle. Maybe you can only hunt with 20 slugs. Maybe the state in question has deemed some round "insufficiently lethal" and so, again, back for more gear. Maybe you want to challenge yourself with a bigger chambering in your target rifles action. More gear.

You may not want every idiot to be entitled to a deadly wepon, but every idiot -isn't- entitled to a deadly weapon...so....what are we talking about? I don;t -need- a gun either. Very few people, if any, do...but that's not relevant either, is it? You don;t -need- chocolate, americans don't -need- mcdonalds. What is it that we're supposed to come to from that statement? That based upon the real or perceived lack of a need.....some x?

[popeyespappy]

Different strokes for different folks.

[abaris]

You may not want every idiot to be entitled to a deadly wepon, but every idiot -isn't- entitled to a deadly weapon...so....what are we talking about?  

According to the American Constitution and my own country's laws, every idiot can indeed obtain a weapon. You just have to have a clean record, and in the case of my country, do a psychological test. Which you can repeat at your leisure until you finally pass. Even easier in America where gun shows don't require any background check.

And we're talking of the NRA here and their fear mongering. To advertise the purchase of weapons.

[The Grand Nudger]

That your gear...3-gun?

[The Grand Nudger]

You may not want every idiot to be entitled to a deadly wepon, but every idiot -isn't- entitled to a deadly weapon...so....what are we talking about?  

According to the American Constitution and my own country's laws, every idiot can indeed obtain a weapon.

Wrong. Woefully, fantastically, impressively wrong. There are mountains of legislation regarding who can and cannot obtain a gun, when and where it can be used -for what-, and ways that a person who could once obtain a gun loses that ability. None of that stops people from breaking the law, but that;s not exactly useful or informative either.

You just have to have a clean record, and in the case of my country, do a psychological test. Which you can repeat at your leisure until you finally pass. Even easier in America where gun shows don't require any background check.

I don't have to check whether or not a person has a license to sell my car to them p2p, either.  Not that it matters, since gun shows aren't our problem. Most of our problem guns come from licensed dealers, who -are- required to do a background check. Guess what, they pass. Those guns are then sold or stolen, p2p, at places -other- than gun shows. Like, living rooms. Unless you think that a bunch of rednecks descend into compton to arm the local demographic........

I don;t think that this loophole is our gun problem, I;m all for closing it...but it;s convenient that politicians have framed our problem as such, because closing that loophole is something they can do with no sweat off their backs. It satisfies their constituents -doesn;t cost them revenue..because those sales are untaxed-, doesn't step on the toes of the gun biz, and doesn't actually solve the problem...so they can refer to said problem later as a continued argument for their existence and inclusion in government.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Kids are being killed by the plethora of guns in this country.

[abaris]

Wrong.  Woefully, fantastically, impressively wrong.  There are mountains of legislation regarding who can and cannot obtain a gun, when and where it can be used -for what-, and ways that a person who could once obtain a gun loses that ability.

The purchase is the only thing that matters. Where it's used is anyone's guess after that.

So what's required besides having a clean record?

[popeyespappy]

That your gear...3-gun?

Yea it's my gear. The bottom case is my 3-gun kit. I'm not particularly competitive with the 870, but I hated the 11-87 when I tried that so back to a pump.

[The Grand Nudger]

Kids are being killed by the plethora of guns in this country.

No, they're not.  

Wrong.  Woefully, fantastically, impressively wrong.  There are mountains of legislation regarding who can and cannot obtain a gun, when and where it can be used -for what-, and ways that a person who could once obtain a gun loses that ability.

The purchase is the only thing that matters. Where it's used is anyone's guess after that.

So what's required besides having a clean record?

That's something you should look up -before- you wade in.  It varies state by state, what are the laws that the NRA is statehopping to strike down, do you think...?  They wouldn;t have anything to do if it were the free-for-all people think it is.

@Pop
LOL, real nice man, too expensive for my blood, but nice. When I want a shotty I reach for my savage humpback (m720). It's heavy, it's old, it's prone to jamming, and it can't fire a modern slug or heavy load........but I'd take it into any competition. I know how it works, I know how to -make- it work, lol.