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Religion and mental health
#11
RE: Religion and mental health
Well, having been in several psychiatric hospitals, I can tell you there are plenty of believers in there.
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#12
RE: Religion and mental health
(October 5, 2016 at 9:50 am)Thena323 Wrote:
(October 4, 2016 at 10:28 am)mcolafson Wrote: I actually hope that someone knows the topic off his/her head.

And maybe someone can explain Margaret White, mother or Carrie White.

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But if you don't like the topic. we can ask to close it.

Well, I assume you know that Margaret White is a fictional character. Although, I do believe I once read that White's character was loosely inspired by King's brief encounter with a holy roller, who happened to have a life-sized, cardboard Jesus standing in the middle her living room at the time. 

At any rate, it should be easy enough to find out about the author's personal insight into his fictional creations; Check out Stephen King's On Writing. 

Or easier yet, visit an official fan site.

I did know that M. White is a fictional character. I also know that good writers either do extensive research or write about stuff they know well from their personal experience (like George Orwell and Down and his 'Out in Paris and London') or both. Stephen King is definitely a very good writer.
But thank you. I should read On Writing. It's a very good idea
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#13
RE: Religion and mental health
(October 5, 2016 at 8:52 am)Aractus Wrote: There is high quality evidence that shows religious activity has positive mental health outcomes.

Well, except for that outcome where you've spent considerable time on your knees asking fairies to grant your wishes......lol. I know, I know, it gets a pass.

I don't know why you link these sorts of papers so often. It's not as though you're interested in a discussion of -why- that may be...even when it's contained within those very papers. Scratch that, I do know why..it;s the headline you enjoy, not the consideration.

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Quote:Well, having been in several psychiatric hospitals, I can tell you there are plenty of believers in there.
Brute force of demographics. Plenty of believers in the world to lose their shit. Of course, we'd have to loosen the definition of "having ones shit together" to include the faithful in the first place. Wink
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#14
RE: Religion and mental health
Well, there is another aspect of this

religion is not a cause of mental disease.
But a person must take some medication and/or have some treatment (just see a professional, for example).

But a preacher, a Bible study group leader, or some other religious authority can tell that medication is bad and psychiatrists are bad.

No, Tom Cruise is the first person who comes to mind.
Then Jehovah Witnesses (no, they don't say that psychiatric treatment is bad, but blood infusions are bad)

Some other cases I should know?
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#15
RE: Religion and mental health
OP, it's a delusion. If it's taken to the point of having an adversely negative impact on the individual themselves or the individuals interaction with others/society, then it becomes a mental health issue. The delusion can also have a positive impact. Why do you think it is accepted so readily by society?

So, which one do you have? Oh, wait, (can you whisper that again, OK) I just got confirmation. Things do not look good for you.
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#16
RE: Religion and mental health
(October 5, 2016 at 12:47 pm)mcolafson Wrote: Well, there is another aspect of this

religion is not a cause of mental disease.
But a person must take some medication and/or have some treatment (just see a professional, for example).

But a preacher, a Bible study group leader, or some other religious authority can tell that medication is bad and psychiatrists are bad.

No, Tom Cruise is the first person who comes to mind.
Then Jehovah Witnesses (no, they don't say that psychiatric treatment is bad, but blood infusions are bad)

Some other cases I should know?

Right, the evidence I showed you does not look at individual outcomes or individual religions. Scientology may not have the same effect on health that Buddhism has for example. I think what you're talking about is probably a minority among religious practitioners, it would certainly be harmful to health, however "primary health care" is not at all the main determinant of people's health - it is in fact a curative measure. People see their clinicians because they are sickly and need medical attention, not because they are healthy and they want to stay that way.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

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#17
RE: Religion and mental health
(October 5, 2016 at 12:47 pm)mcolafson Wrote: Well, there is another aspect of this

religion is not a cause of mental disease.
But a person must take some medication and/or have some treatment (just see a professional, for example).

But a preacher, a Bible study group leader, or some other religious authority can tell that medication is bad and psychiatrists are bad.

No, Tom Cruise is the first person who comes to mind.
Then Jehovah Witnesses (no, they don't say that psychiatric treatment is bad, but blood infusions are bad)

Some other cases I should know?

Indeed. People even die, or let their children die, because of religious beliefs and their refusal to get proper treatment. The former is insanity, the latter is completely sickening.
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#18
RE: Religion and mental health
is there any difference between a psychiatrist and christian psychiatrist?
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#19
RE: Religion and mental health
(October 6, 2016 at 6:03 pm)mcolafson Wrote: is there any difference between a psychiatrist and christian psychiatrist?

As far as I know, the only difference is they incorporate faith as another coping type strategy and talk to their patients about the religious aspect of their lives.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

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