Karma poll

[Astreja]

I love film noir -- especially Bogie.     I don't smoke, though, so I'll just blow bubbles or burn a couple of incense sticks, or something.

[Thumpalumpacus]

The main takeaway I'm getting from LR's contributions to this thread is that LSD is a hell of a drug.

[AceBoogie]

to OP

No I do not believe in karma or reincarnation. Though I don't see why these two things MUST be connected. Are you basing this off of Buddhist or Hindu texts? What if those texts are wrong and karma CAN exist without reincarnation or vice versa?

Also how does a belief in karma or reincarnation equate to a belief in god? Where exactly are you closing that gap? What if karma is some universal force that needs know intelligent intervention behind it? What if reincarnation is just some natural process like photosynthesis or the water cycle?

More importantly, what the hell is your point...?

[Little Rik]

A good detective would never expect that someone would bring the evidence on a silver plate to him.

There's not even enough evidence to indicate that there's something to investigate.

I'm going to sit here in My office with the secretary with the great gams, put My feet up on the desk and drink Scotch and read Dashiell Hammett novels till the phone rings, or until someone staggers in with a karmic knife in the back.

That is fine with me Astreja.
You can keep your feet up on the desk for the next million years if you like.
Nobody will tell you to put them down and get off your shining backside.
One day however it will be you that will realize that by doing this you are not getting anywhere.
Not only that but you also will realize that this physical dimension can not solve the main human problem
such as the permanent peace of mind.  

[Little Rik]

to OP

No I do not believe in karma or reincarnation. Though I don't see why these two things MUST be connected. Are you basing this off of Buddhist or Hindu texts? What if those texts are wrong and karma CAN exist without reincarnation or vice versa?

Also how does a belief in karma or reincarnation equate to a belief in god? Where exactly are you closing that gap? What if karma is some universal force that needs know intelligent intervention behind it? What if reincarnation is just some natural process like photosynthesis or the water cycle?

More importantly, what the hell is your point...?

1) The point is all about challenges that keep the mind in constant exercise.
Some people exercise their muscles.
I prefer more to exercise my mind by challenging other people intellect.

2) If karma exist then it need reincarnation.
Suppose Mr X kill 50 people.
One life would not be enough to pay for his crimes so he will have to be born again and again
and suffer what those 50 people suffer.

3) If you don't like to call God that entity that run the karma system you may well call any other name
you like but someone must be there to witness what goes on and correct the imbalance.  

[Edwardo Piet]

If I stamp my footsies/feets and throw a nonexistent table at him in a tantrum would that equate to an argument?

Yes, and it would be both sound AND valid.  [emoji13]

Well... it would certainly MAKE a sound... like CRASH and "ow"... and since in one sense soundness implies validity it would in one sense be valid [emoji13]

[Astreja]

You can keep your feet up on the desk for the next million years if you like.  
Nobody will tell you to put them down and get off your shining backside.
One day however it will be you that will realize that by doing this you are not getting anywhere.
Not only that but you also will realize that this physical dimension can not solve the main human problem
such as the permanent peace of mind.  

Now why would I even want "permanent peace of mind"?  I thrive on challenges and ongoing learning.  I'm also not the least bit interested in eternal life, so your philosophy contains nothing that I actually want.

[Little Rik]

You can keep your feet up on the desk for the next million years if you like.  
Nobody will tell you to put them down and get off your shining backside.
One day however it will be you that will realize that by doing this you are not getting anywhere.
Not only that but you also will realize that this physical dimension can not solve the main human problem
such as the permanent peace of mind.  

Now why would I even want "permanent peace of mind"?  I thrive on challenges and ongoing learning.  I'm also not the least bit interested in eternal life, so your philosophy contains nothing that I actually want.

Perfect contradiction Astreja.

1) You say..........I thrive on challenges and ongoing learning.............
By doing this something within you tell you to go ahead in search for peace of mind.
Where else this search would lead you then?

You never thought about that Astreja, did you?    


2) What about eternal life.
How do you know that?
How do you know that once you leave your dead body and your consciousness see the real McCoy you
are not interested anymore?  

[Astreja]

1) You say..........I thrive on challenges and ongoing learning.............
By doing this something within you tell you to go ahead in search for peace of mind.
Where else this search would lead you then?

Not "peace of mind" -- Satisfaction and increased curiosity.

2) What about eternal life.
How do you know that?
How do you know that once you leave your dead body and your consciousness see the real McCoy you
are not interested anymore?

Every night in the dreamless phase of sleep I am unconscious, totally unaware of surroundings or self.  The "real McCoy" is conspicuous by its absence.

That is exactly how I imagine death -- Timeless insentience.

[Little Rik]

1) You say..........I thrive on challenges and ongoing learning.............
By doing this something within you tell you to go ahead in search for peace of mind.
Where else this search would lead you then?

Not "peace of mind" -- Satisfaction and increased curiosity.

Satisfaction lead to peace of mind and so the appeasement of curiosity.

You never thought about that Astreja, did you?  

2) What about eternal life.
How do you know that?
How do you know that once you leave your dead body and your consciousness see the real McCoy you
are not interested anymore?

Every night in the dreamless phase of sleep I am unconscious, totally unaware of surroundings or self.  The "real McCoy" is conspicuous by its absence.

That is exactly how I imagine death -- Timeless insentience.

Wrong again Astreja.  

As far as your body is alive the consciousness is stuck inside your body so when your body sleep your consciousness is also stuck in that slumber.
In this way you come to the conclusion that once you die it will be the same.

NDEs already show that that is not the case.
Once your physical body die your consciousness separate and the real I will be as awake as you never
dream about being free from the "chains" that force it to be stuck inside a body.

But don't worry too much Astreja.  
Everything will get more and more clear as you make some real progress.