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An Ex-Muslim Within Muslims
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RE: An Ex-Muslim Within Muslims
(October 16, 2016 at 8:23 am)RobertE Wrote: Welcome onboard. Having read one of your paragraphs, since you have left Islam and became a Christian, you are still a practitioner of an Abrahamic faith and your God will always be "Allah"(if you speak Arabic of course.)


Nope, I also mentioned that I left Christianity and became agnostic.
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RE: An Ex-Muslim Within Muslims
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(October 14, 2016 at 7:35 am)viocjit Wrote: ....

I'd like to tell you a story :
It was in 2012 or 2013 (I was 18-19 years old).
I was in vocational school.
It was during break time and a man said to us (Non-Muslim Europeans) something like that : "Le coran est un livre qui a était écrit par des gens"
French to English : "Quran is a book wrote by people".
I felt this person needed to speak because he was unable to do it with his peers.
We listened him.
I'll certainly remember this moment until my death.
....

What you described is precise. There's this thing in Islam that disallows Muslims from enjoying sex. Children are indoctrinated by the belief that being naked is bad. I witnessed such behaviors, it's not uncommon to see a kid here with porn in his mobile phone. Technology opened a wider space for Muslims that they can't guard themselves anymore. It's sad as of 2016 we see closed minded societies. As a consequence, sexual harrasments are viral among Muslims

<snip by Viocjit>

I know about what you said but I'd like to gather from you an information about what you said. You wrote some kids have porn content on theirs cellular phone. Which age are they ?
When I read the next part "[...] Children are indoctrinated by the belief that being naked is bad [...]" of your message.
I remembered when I was with others pupils of my grade (CM2 / 5th grade / Years 6 or P6 in UK) when I was 11 or 12 years old (2005-2006).
A Maghrebin Child (Probably Sunni Maliki) was saying to another child a Muslim male must cover his body from knees to navel when we were doing sport outdoor (I precise this saying wasn't related to activity we were doing. He did said that to speak about Islamic beliefs). The child hold these saying in French.
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#23
RE: An Ex-Muslim Within Muslims
-Every- abrahamic faith inculcates in it's indoctrinees that there's something wrong with their nakedness.  It starts in genesis.  The crowning achievement of my non-abrahamic parenting, imo, has been the utter lack of body shame in any of my children.  It's not just that they don't have it...they don't understand the concept.

OTOH, hard as hell to get them to keep their pants on.  More than one trip to the school.
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RE: An Ex-Muslim Within Muslims
(October 19, 2016 at 7:06 pm)viocjit Wrote: I know about what you said but I'd like to gather from you an information about what you said. You wrote some kids have porn content on theirs cellular phone. Which age are they ?
When I read the next part "[...] Children are indoctrinated by the belief that being naked is bad [...]" of your message.
I remembered when I was with others pupils of my grade (CM2 / 5th grade / Years 6 or P6 in UK) when I was 11 or 12 years old (2005-2006).
A Maghrebin Child (Probably Sunni Maliki) was saying to another child a Muslim male must cover his body from knees to navel when we were doing sport outdoor (I precise this saying wasn't related to activity we were doing. He did said that to speak about Islamic beliefs). The child hold these saying in French.


By the age of 13 and up you'll find them quite addicted to porn. Although porn is illegal here, they managed to get their hands on it. And yes for Muslims you must cover up fully whether you're a male or female. The tongue twisting gets were when it comes to women.

(October 19, 2016 at 7:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: -Every- abrahamic faith inculcates in it's indoctrinees that there's something wrong with their nakedness.  It starts in genesis.  The crowning achievement of my non-abrahamic parenting, imo, has been the utter lack of body shame in any of my children.  It's not just that they don't have it...they don't understand the concept.

OTOH, hard as hell to get them to keep their pants on.  More than one trip to the school.

I absolutely agree with you.
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