Is there objective Truth?

[ApeNotKillApe]

Not necessarily. Eternal means without beginning or end; infinite means limitless in quantity, an infinite something can be temporally finite in the past.

Hah! Thanks fro the intelligence. I even have the same thing happening in my metaversal model: The original Infinite substance quantum fluctuates/breaks symmetry creating a planar cavitational wavefront that leaves a plane of equal sized voided spheres in it's wake. This creates a plane of an infinite number of spheres (spaces/universe) all at the same instant in time. The metaversal plane is infinite in the horizontal but finite in the vertical. A limited infinity.

Here's where it gets even more nuanced: The wave-front keeps going in one direction leaving further planes of universes under the previous and the wave front will never stop traveling and cavitating universes through the original infinite mass body. The metaverse had a beginning in time, but it does not have an end. A limited eternity.

Sorry did I trigger some kind of insecurity?

[Arkilogue]

I'd say time had a starting point but it didn't "begin" as such because there was nothing before it for it to begin from. A first point in time is subtly different to a beginning, I reckon.

ETA: In a way... there is the first point in time and then it begins.

Time and space are intrinsically linked. When space (to move through) is made, (relative) time "begins".

[Edwardo Piet]

I approve of your scare quotes.

[Arkilogue]

Hah! Thanks for the intelligence. I even have the same thing happening in my metaversal model: The original Infinite substance quantum fluctuates/breaks symmetry creating a planar cavitational wavefront that leaves a plane of equal sized voided spheres in it's wake. This creates a plane of an infinite number of spheres (spaces/universe) all at the same instant in time. The metaversal plane is infinite in the horizontal but finite in the vertical. A limited infinity.

Here's where it gets even more nuanced: The wave-front keeps going in one direction leaving further planes of universes under the previous and the wave front will never stop traveling and cavitating universes through the original infinite mass body. The metaverse had a beginning in time, but it does not have an end. A limited eternity.

Sorry did I trigger some kind of insecurity?

No. Whatever gave you that idea?

[Edwardo Piet]

Usually my testicles are responsible for insecurity.

Or am I thinking of a dream.

[Arkilogue]

I approve of your scare quotes.

Think of when a race "begins". Before the beginning, the course is defined and the racers are present behind the starting line.

[ApeNotKillApe]

Sorry did I trigger some kind of insecurity?

No.  Whatever gave you that idea?

The going off on whatever you're talking about mostly.

[Arkilogue]

No.  Whatever gave you that idea?

The going off on whatever you're talking about mostly.

What part about exploring an objective infinity and it's properties intimate subjective insecurity to you?

[Whateverist]

I agree with theists who say "something can't come from nothing" you know
but then they're like "and it has a mind and it created the universe and it's God!"
I'm like "nope wtf where did that bullshit come from?"

It's like they have a metaphysical insight but it makes their brain explode and causes religious psychosis
[emoji23]

I can think of only 3 possible beginning states: Nothing, finite something, or infinite something. Can you think of anymore?

How about 'infinite' something as it appears to we fleas on the back of the dragon.

[Pat Mustard]

Gravity is material, it is an effect of the nature of space time. Mathematics is a system for describing material items and events. Logic is a system of thinking, which is a property of the material brain, and the brain alone.

None of those things are immaterial, nothing that humanity has ever observed is immaterial.

Given that experience is our only interface with reality, and that everything we use to describe reality consists of ideas and nothing other than ideas, you've made an assertion which I do not believe you can demonstrate to be true.

I honestly don't care for your idealist delusion. It's as bad as soldat's assertion that god is real because he really, really wants him to be.