Catholics VS Protestants Debate Thread

[Edward John]

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement.

Exactly, I am not a troll but here to give a logical and reasonable arguments. You are raising false accusations against me, just as Jesus was falsely accused.

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16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Timothy 3:16 NASB

1) The Greek word ophelimos ("profitable") used in verse 16 means "useful" not "sufficient." An example of this difference would be to say that water is useful for our existence – even necessary – but it is not sufficient; that is, it is not the only thing we need to survive. We also need food, clothing, shelter, etc. Likewise, Scripture is useful in the life of the believer, but it was never meant to be the only source of Christian teaching, the only thing needed for believers.

2) The Greek word pasa, which is often rendered as "all," actually means "every," and it has the sense of referring to each and every one of the class denoted by the noun connected with it. (2)  In other words, the Greek reads in a way which indicates that each and every "Scripture" is profitable. If the doctrine of Sola Scriptura were true, then based on Greek verse 16, each and every book of the Bible could stand on its own as the sole rule of faith, a position which is obviously absurd.

3) The "Scripture" that St. Paul is referring to here is the Old Testament, a fact which is made plain by his reference to the Scripture’s being known by Timothy from "infancy" (verse 15). The New Testament as we know it did not yet exist, or at best it was incomplete, so it simply could not have included in St. Paul’s understanding of what was meant by the term "scripture." If we take St. Paul’s words at face value, Sola Scriptura would therefore mean that the Old Testament is the Christian’s sole rule of faith. This is a premise that all Christians would reject.

So again, Protestantism is false because Sola scriptura is taught nowhere in the Bible its unbiblical and above all, The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Did Not Exist Prior to the 14th Century. So up to the 1400 every christian submited to the authority of the Catholic Church.

[Crossless2.0]

In a moment of characteristic Christian humility, Edward John gives us this:

"You are raising false accusations against me, just as Jesus was falsely accused."

[I_am_not_mafia]

I'm not a pacifist so it's not a good fit for me, but it seems the Quakers are uniquely positioned to embarrass both sides in this cripple fight.

Oh yeah I forgot about Quakers. I do actually have a lot of genuine respect for them for their pacifist beliefs. Some of my best friends are Quakers. Well, one actually. Assuming she still is one, I haven't actually seen her for a few years. But they make good porridge!

[I_am_not_mafia]

Star Wars is a typical story of good versus evil.
Star Trek is a commentary on social, political, economical and inter-species issues... if we forget about the movies and focus on the series.

But Star Wars recognises the dangers of authoritarianism and the inevitability of decay whereas Star Treks' Federation is an unrealistic utopia.

[Faith No More]

It's like a cripple fight in mud.

I see it as more of a Christian dick-measuring contest.

[pocaracas]

Star Wars is a typical story of good versus evil.
Star Trek is a commentary on social, political, economical and inter-species issues... if we forget about the movies and focus on the series.

But Star Wars recognises the dangers of authoritarianism and the inevitability of decay whereas Star Treks' Federation is an unrealistic utopia.

Like Coruscant was portrayed as a very realistic utopia...
Star Trek also addresses authoritarianism on multiple episodes... the inevitability of decay... hmmm... can't remember... For that, we have the Foundation saga!

[Crossless2.0]

I'm not a pacifist so it's not a good fit for me, but it seems the Quakers are uniquely positioned to embarrass both sides in this cripple fight.

Oh yeah I forgot about Quakers. I do actually have a lot of genuine respect for them for their pacifist beliefs. Some of my best friends are Quakers. Well, one actually. Assuming she still is one, I haven't actually seen her for a few years. But they make good porridge!

I have a lot of respect for Quakers, as well, despite my not being a pacifist or a Christian. They seem to walk the walk.

And their porridge rocks. I had some this morning.

[Drich]

[Angrboda]

The 'church' in the 3rd/4th century called to have all manuscripts turned over to them in order to compile the first 'bible.' After it was compiled the church hung on to those manuscripts and issued a final draft which took decades, then as subsequent popes began to reign they began to add to scripture or rather add to the Septuagint (the Latin only bible) which it took a priest to decipher. (one bible per perish) That is why all Christians answered to the catholic church because they had they only symbolance of authority from God.

The Septuagint is written in Koine Greek and was composed between 300 BCE and 200 CE.

[Angrboda]

Exactly, I am not a troll but here to give a logical and reasonable arguments. You are raising false accusations against me, just as Jesus was falsely accused.

I did no such thing, Mr. Christ. You asked for a definition of troll and I provided it.