Why the Dems Lost

[Pat Mustard]

Although the Democratic party had a good message in supporting the rights and privileges of minorities and immigrants, they made one huge mistake.  In the process, they villainized white working men and the institutions they hold to be important.  As much as they chastised the Republicans for not being a party of inclusion, they never spoke to white middle class men, who already feel that they are carrying the burden of he costs to administer the government programs which the Democrats tout, but they don't benefit from.  That's why states like Pennsylvania and Michigan came through for Trump.   

I personally, as a white man, never felt that the Democratic candidates were speaking to me.  I feel totally alienated from the Democratic party.  The fact that Trump overwhelmingly won the white male vote is evidence that white American men had grown tired of being reviled and blamed for everything bad in this country.  Neither party has come up with a message that supports the rights and privileges of ALL Americans and so we continue to be divided.

Lek, we already know you hate America, no need to broadcast it.

[Neo-Scholastic]

People might want to consider that voters in states like Pennsylvania, might have voted against the candidate that promised to end the coal industry. Or that people in Michigan believe that corporate tax rates drive major industries off-shore. Or Floridians have concerns about third-world diseases are being reintroduced to the country. Or that Michigan people heard about ISIS's plans to infiltrate the refuge populations. Not everything is about race.

[Mister Agenda]

Never give the jobs and economy campaign strategy away to the other guy, no matter how well the economy is doing or how low the unemployment rate is.

[Aroura]

People might want to consider that voters in states like Pennsylvania, might have voted against the candidate that promised to end the coal industry. Or that people in Michigan believe that corporate tax rates drive major industries off-shore. Or Floridians have concerns about third-world diseases are being reintroduced to the country. Or that Michigan people heard about ISIS's plans to infiltrate the refuge populations. Not everything is about race.

No, all of that was about fear.

[Autumnlicious]

I hate to agree with A Theist but he is right, but not in the obvious way.

I was asked by one of my coworkers how this election happened. I said it was simple - the voters in the Rust belt, in Florida, in New Hampshire have no real jobs. No real economy except the service industry which will pay shit or drop them. It doesn't occur to them (the underemployed, unemployed) that they helped create that mess - only that they're suffering for it. Hell as a judgement, it seems, is lost upon the damned.

And the worst thing you could say to the Rust belt white voter? Anything that involves them moving. They''ll take it as a "Fuck you" and react in kind.

So she asked why don't they change jobs, getting an education if necessary. I said "Moving". Then why don't they go where the economy is (coasts) - again I said "Moving".

Look, we can debate about how this act of setting the House on fire is vindictive or we can focus that Whites set the damn House on fire.

Unlike any minority, this minority of Whites is going to increasingly destroy the US unless they are mollified. The problem grew this big and now they can make demands, however incoherent or insane. This was at least two decades in the making.

Every member of the press who gleefully posted outrageous stories of "The end of White men" - congratulations you galvanized them into support Trump. Every pundit who forgot to tell the difference between a small minority and a big one - here's your prize in threat analysis, a large enough minority to fuck everything.

I didn't want this, but don't be surprised that "business as usual" wasn't good enough for voters. Voting is hard to do. At least when you're:

- Underemployed (fear of losing your job even if you try to vote)
- Unemployed (demoralized and depressed)
- ignorant of absentee voting
- etc

I am in the thick of the economy on the West Coast, yet the income inequality rises. Doesn't that strike you as strange that the economic recovery has mostly gone to the wealthy on the Coasts, leaving the rubes of the rust belt dry?. I live off of their breadcrumbs, like many West Coast residents, and fear losing even that. How low our inclusive society has descended if we exchanged paradise for less pay if it was garanteed solely to us.

If the "angry White man" is to be answered, we have to move fast and kick our wealthy industrialists in the ass to employ more of the heartland before they find something worse than Trump. Because once you make a minority big enough, it's threat profile changes. And this minority has become big enough.

[Neo-Scholastic]

The hate is strong in this one.

[downbeatplumb]

Although the Democratic party had a good message in supporting the rights and privileges of minorities and immigrants, they made one huge mistake.  In the process, they villainized white working men and the institutions they hold to be important.  As much as they chastised the Republicans for not being a party of inclusion, they never spoke to white middle class men, who already feel that they are carrying the burden of he costs to administer the government programs which the Democrats tout, but they don't benefit from.  That's why states like Pennsylvania and Michigan came through for Trump.   

I personally, as a white man, never felt that the Democratic candidates were speaking to me.  I feel totally alienated from the Democratic party.  The fact that Trump overwhelmingly won the white male vote is evidence that white American men had grown tired of being reviled and blamed for everything bad in this country.  Neither party has come up with a message that supports the rights and privileges of ALL Americans and so we continue to be divided.

They lost the election because there are a lot of nasty people around and they voted for the candidate that most closely matched the darkness in their hearts.

[Autumnlicious]

When you're living in Hell, all you want is to spread your misery.

Turns out that our persistent supported-by-tax-dollars Red states have finally prevailed in their scream. We literally are funding this from the richer states by federal tax.

Take a journey out to the States that tipped Trump in - they're not pleasant to live in. They have contributed to their own misery, but it doesn't matter anymore when they're mad enough to tear down everything.

The arch-conservative, Otto Von Bismark, believed in keeping the population employed by any means necessary, with healthcare and child care - he feared an unstable country so much as to wield socialism as a tool to pay off the large minorities that could fuck him.

When a large minority is angry, they won't correct the problem - angry people are just angry. What they will do is jump for every shit simple solution, a trope of the right wing and they will continue to fall for that until you calm enough of them down by any means necessary to reduce that minority down.

The Left must win the four Rustbelts back at a bare minimum, fairness of Pork projects be damned. Fairness takes a backseat to pragmatism when enough people gang up to fuck you over. Four states. That's the cost - four.

Our West and East Coast industries would be able to stop this if they immediately begin colonizing the Heartland. People usually become more liberal when they're not starving or unemployed. The converse is true as well.

[Pat Mustard]

the candidate that promised to end the coal industry.

Ok do you want a strong coal economy? Or do you want ground to stand on? Or air to breathe? Or food to eat? Or safe water to drink?

Because, Wooters you unlettered idiot, that is the stark choice we face, either get rid of fossil fuels (and likely some time in the last few years) completely, or kill off the species, and lots of others with us.

Or that people in Michigan believe that corporate tax rates drive major industries off-shore.

The way end tax evasion isn't to cut taxes, it's to go after the tax evaders and the countries (and Delewares) that give them succour. You do realise the effective corporate tax rate for US based companies is 0% correct? Because they can set up a brass plate headquarters in a state like Deleware which allows them to never file accounts, never file tax returns and bilk the other 49 states out of their fair dues.

Anyway, tax evasion by big corporates hurts African countries far more than it hurts the US. Out of every $10 that should be paid in taxes in Africa by multinationals at least $9 gets sent back to countries like the US, Europe and China.

Or Floridians have concerns about third-world diseases are being reintroduced to the country.

Florida has "third world" diseases because it's climate is suitable for such diseases, not because they are being spread there by illegal immigrants you sick racist fuck.

Or that Michigan people heard about ISIS's plans to infiltrate the refuge populations. Not everything is about race.

You do know that the only muslim terrorists that attacked the US were let in under the orders of daddy Shrub right? They were given visas in the 80s and trained up as anti-Soviet mujaheddin for Afghanistan, and their visas were constantly renewed, no questions asked, until they flew right into the twin towers. Your government created the monster you rail against, Wooters, you ignorant bigot.

[Pat Mustard]

The hate is strong in this one.

Yes, all you have is hatred. The first truth you've ever spoken on this thread Wooters.