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Who is to blame.
RE: Who is to blame.
On the other hand though, Islamic extremists would probably be a little happier with any Democrat as the US president vs a Republican. It doesn't mean there is anything inherently wrong with voting Democrat. There are bad groups who favor each party, I think.

Besides, Trump is bad enough just as he is. Independent of whether or not the KKK prefers him over Hillary.
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(November 15, 2016 at 9:07 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(November 14, 2016 at 9:21 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: You gotta ask yourself why the KKK endorses Trump...................

No I don't.

I don't trust of value the opinions of white supremisits, islamists, communists or race baiters. Who did ISIL support. The Muslim Brotherhood? Black Panthers? Louis Farrakhan? The PLO? I don't know. I don't care.

I heard Rosie O'Donnell has a crush on you. Get it? That's the same level of maturity as your pathetic smears.

Exactly.

My bold.
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(November 15, 2016 at 2:41 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: No, I think it's fair game to ask why this or that person or group of persons supports this or that candidate. Doesn't mean that association will decide my vote, but it may inform it if there's relevance to my concerns.

That's not what the slanderers are doing. They are saying that all voters for one candidate must always share the same values and reasons for supporting that candidate.
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Moot point in your case, since you've made it painfully and perfectly clear that you support the trumpster's vision of america for all of the same reasons the Klan does.  / shrugs.
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(November 15, 2016 at 5:38 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: That's not what the slanderers are doing. They are saying that all voters for one candidate must always share the same values and reasons for supporting that candidate.

Some do, some don't. But if the KKK is vocal about their support for a certain candidate it should give everyone pause. Takes a pretty advanced level of apathy to take note of that and still go out to cast one's vote because the same candidate gives the appearance of also supporting some pet value of theirs.

The KKK didn't support any republican or democrat candidate after WWII so far. This is a first and it conveys the message of them feeling represented. If someone is comfortable with still taking the ride, they at least don't mind.
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(November 15, 2016 at 5:38 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(November 15, 2016 at 2:41 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: No, I think it's fair game to ask why this or that person or group of persons supports this or that candidate. Doesn't mean that association will decide my vote, but it may inform it if there's relevance to my concerns.

That's not what the slanderers are doing. They are saying that all voters for one candidate must always share the same values and reasons for supporting that candidate.

I'm on the record in this forum as stating that not all, or even a majority, of Trump voters are necessarily bigots.

Having said that, it is entirely fair to ask why those who are bigots support the man, and to take that into account.

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(November 15, 2016 at 5:44 pm)abaris Wrote: The KKK didn't support any republican or democrat candidate after WWII so far.

Source? Cause I'm pretty sure they endorsed Reagan for one.
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/05/02/us/rea...pport.html
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KKK for Goldwater:

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(November 14, 2016 at 5:21 pm)Faith No More Wrote: If some douchebag wants to punch me in the face because i was under no delusion that Clinton was anything but a shit sandwich, I'm fine with that, too.

In the article that Min linked, the author is saying that if you can live with President Trump as the price of passing on Hillary, then he has no issue with it. His anger was directed at those who either did not vote, or voted third-party and are now suffering from buyer's remorse. His specific example was of a guy who expressed outrage that Trump had won --and told the writer that he needed to "get back to work," presumably to mitigate the damage of a Trump presidency-- and then admitted that he had voted for Jill Stein.

I do think that a lot of people who either stayed home or voted third-party did so because they thought Clinton would win and they could then spend the next four/eight years smugly chiding their fellow liberals that they "didn't vote for her." But Trump won and now they're panicking and relying on those time-tested tactics of sobbing on Youtube and hashtagging their grief, neither being a viable substitute for actually getting out and voting for the outcome you either want or prefer.
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(November 16, 2016 at 8:59 am)Tonus Wrote: In the article that Min linked, the author is saying that if you can live with President Trump as the price of passing on Hillary, then he has no issue with it.  His anger was directed at those who either did not vote, or voted third-party and are now suffering from buyer's remorse.  His specific example was of a guy who expressed outrage that Trump had won --and told the writer that he needed to "get back to work," presumably to mitigate the damage of a Trump presidency-- and then admitted that he had voted for Jill Stein.

I do think that a lot of people who either stayed home or voted third-party did so because they thought Clinton would win and they could then spend the next four/eight years smugly chiding their fellow liberals that they "didn't vote for her."  But Trump won and now they're panicking and relying on those time-tested tactics of sobbing on Youtube and hashtagging their grief, neither being a viable substitute for actually getting out and voting for the outcome you either want or prefer.

Fair enough, but a lot of blame for this goes to the MSM, who made it seem that a Clinton win was in the bag. My daughter voted Johnson thinking that a Clinton win was certain.
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