Trump on 60 Minutes

[abaris]

He's making a point about resources being limited and saying we should take care of our own poor people first.  

Is that so? If so, he's had limited success fighting for it. Everyone has. As long as a society doesn't even bother to give the appearance of caring for their poor, debating the extension of that is making a rather moot point. And no, I'm not even talking about America alone, but on a general level. As I said before, maybe in a different thread. Talk is cheap, and as long as illegals are paying into the system without gaining any social goody, I don't see why this should even be an issue. They're not stealing from my pocket. Others are. Taking my tax money to add to their billions in the form of subsidies. I'm not religious, but it will be a cold day in hell before I hold illegals responsible for what is wrong with our societies. There are a lot of issues before they even rise above the horizon. To argue differently is just displaying a frightening level of ignorance and credulity.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's not as if we -aren't- "taking care of our own poor" first, in the first place.  That's kind of the thing, we aren't taking care of illegals, they're not eligible.  That's just some shit that our home grown bigots have been selling. Selling so hard, apparently, that "non-bigots" seem to think it might be a valid point.

"Look, they're taking care of all them thur mex-eee-kans and leaving the white man to starve!"  

Just, no.

[Brian37]

No he race baited period! Our resources are monopolized globally by 62 uber billionaires whom have the combined wealth of 3 billion humans 

"Our people" no, there is only 1 species. Trump acted like Frank Burns on bath salts

I was referring to Neo Scholastic. Not Trump.

Then why the title of the thread "Trump on 60 Minutes"

Trump ran for the party of asshole bigots.

[rado84]

What do ya'll think?

As you know I'm not American but since you said "all" I'll take the chance to say what I think.

Before the beginning of the campaigns I had never heard about Donald Stump, I had no idea who he was. So I did some digging on YouTube about him. I came across of a video where he and the other candidates said what they were gonna bring to USA. It took me less than a minute of listening to this guy to know I didn't trust him at all. Then there were other videos of him where he first said he'd banish all the gay people from America and 2 months later he said he'd back them up. The way I see him: a two-faced guy who'd say or do anything, if there's even a remote chance that to make more people to vote for him. I suspect he'd sell his own mother, if that was gonna bring more voters aboard. Kinda reminds me of Robert Kinsey.
Idk what will happen from now on but I can tell you this - D. Stump has a hidden agenda and it's good.

[Catholic_Lady]

What do ya'll think?

As you know I'm not American but since you said "all" I'll take the chance to say what I think.

Before the beginning of the campaigns I had never heard about Donald Stump, I had no idea who he was. So I did some digging on YouTube about him. I came across of a video where he and the other candidates said what they were gonna bring to USA. It took me less than a minute of listening to this guy to know I didn't trust him at all. Then there were other videos of him where he first said he'd banish all the gay people from America and 2 months later he said he'd back them up. The way I see him: a two-faced guy who'd say or do anything, if there's even a remote chance that to make more people to vote for him. I suspect he'd sell his own mother, if that was gonna bring more voters aboard. Kinda reminds me of Robert Kinsey.
Idk what will happen from now on but I can tell you this - D. Stump has a hidden agenda and it's good.

Sounds like a pretty accurate analysis.

[Minimalist]

Whose fault is it when another country doesn't provide its own citizens with decent social services and economic opportunities? Of course all third-world nationals would rather live in prosperous countries with generous social services! But resources are not unlimited, even in first world countries. Every nation must take care of its own vulnerable and unfortunate citizens first. Low-skill impoverished foreign nations divert those resources away from the schools, community organizations and social services that should be attending to the needs of its most vulnerable citizens. You put the oxygen mask on yourself first before you assist others. That's basic common sense.

Sure we could increase the social safety net to include non-citizens but that also comes at the expense of other things - like foreign aid, scientific research, policing, workplace safety inspection, sanitation, national parks, space program, pensions, medical research, infrastructure, etc. Needs are unlimited.

Hey, you left out tax cuts for the rich, which, along with wars, is about the only thing you republicunts want to spend money on.  As for the rest of your list.... I'd like to see the republicunt plans for such spending.  You'd need a microscope to find it.



Hypocrite.

[Excited Penguin]

What do ya'll think?

As you know I'm not American but since you said "all" I'll take the chance to say what I think.

Before the beginning of the campaigns I had never heard about Donald Stump, I had no idea who he was. So I did some digging on YouTube about him. I came across of a video where he and the other candidates said what they were gonna bring to USA. It took me less than a minute of listening to this guy to know I didn't trust him at all. Then there were other videos of him where he first said he'd banish all the gay people from America and 2 months later he said he'd back them up. The way I see him: a two-faced guy who'd say or do anything, if there's even a remote chance that to make more people to vote for him. I suspect he'd sell his own mother, if that was gonna bring more voters aboard. Kinda reminds me of Robert Kinsey.
Idk what will happen from now on but I can tell you this - D. Stump has a hidden agenda and it's good.

Unlike you, who has an open agenda of wanting to commit genocide(two million people, was it?) on an ethnic group.

[Catholic_Lady]

As you know I'm not American but since you said "all" I'll take the chance to say what I think.

Before the beginning of the campaigns I had never heard about Donald Stump, I had no idea who he was. So I did some digging on YouTube about him. I came across of a video where he and the other candidates said what they were gonna bring to USA. It took me less than a minute of listening to this guy to know I didn't trust him at all. Then there were other videos of him where he first said he'd banish all the gay people from America and 2 months later he said he'd back them up. The way I see him: a two-faced guy who'd say or do anything, if there's even a remote chance that to make more people to vote for him. I suspect he'd sell his own mother, if that was gonna bring more voters aboard. Kinda reminds me of Robert Kinsey.
Idk what will happen from now on but I can tell you this - D. Stump has a hidden agenda and it's good.

Unlike you, who has an open agenda of wanting to commit genocide(two million people, was it?) on an ethnic group.

I believe Atheist BG has since changed his thoughts about that. 

[rado84]

Unlike you, who has an open agenda of wanting to commit genocide(two million people, was it?) on an ethnic group.

It's easy for you to talk bullshit when you're 1000 miles away, not living in the same place as they do and not seeing them roaming through the cities shouting "Bulgarians must die" considering they live on our taxes and get everything for free, unlike the Bulgarians. I bet you'd feel the same if 50,000 of the Bulgarians in your city started shouting "[insert nationality] must die" and the cops don't do anything to stop that, let alone to arrest them. Again, come live here for 10-15 years in order to see the full picture of it and then we'll talk again about "genocide" - especially after you get beaten, raped, robbed and gutted by the gypsies and later on you get beaten by the cops for defending your property and later on sentenced 15 years in prison for defending your property by beating the crap out of the gypsy moron who dared to enter your property to steal.

I wonder why I'm wasting my time explaining those things to you. I guess it's easier being a blinkered horse from 1000 miles away than placing yourself in someone else's shoes.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Such as them doing jobs no American would do.

In my personal experience that is only partly true.

I have hired people from all nationalities to do construction. The native born and generally White sub-contractors usually have union shops and their prices reflect that. I only use them when I must for interior build-outs in high-rises downtown because those are union buildings. They do not require as much supervision but are always looking for change-orders. White non-union subs are very hard to find. I think they get all their work by word of mouth. Those that I have used have not been very dependable, think their work is perfect, and bitch when you tell them to redo something.

The local African-american contractors give good prices, haven't required much supervision and the work is adequate. The only problem I have with African-american subs is that often times they cannot get the larger jobs because they lack the necessary licenses and don't have enough insurance coverage. That's their choice.

The Polish subcontractors I know use legal immigrants. Their higher skilled workers are generally Polish. The laborers and low skilled workers are often Mexican. They do good work for less money but the language barriers (both Polish and Spanish) means that they require a lot of supervision.

To my knowledge I have only had illegal immigrants working on one job. The general contractor hired both Irish and Mexican illegals. The work was for shit - the framing wasn't plumb, the drywall was not installed correctly, etc. I fired the general.

So it isn't that native or naturalized citizens won't do the work, but rather that they won't do shit work on the cheap. Now I don't know this for sure but my guess is that the work would still get done; it would just cost more to do. Maybe the African-American subs would get their act together with their licenses and insurance. Maybe the Poles and Mexicans that are here legally could command better wages. I imagine that what is true in construction would apply elsewhere in housekeeping & maintenance, farming, and service jobs.

I don't understand how the same people who want a higher minimum wage and stronger unions would object to achieving the same effect with the free market. There are trade-offs. People will likely earn more but things will cost more. Or cost pressures may make it cheaper for a business to automate more and hire less. That could happen too. These are the types of discussions we can have if you don't mindlessly repeat cliches about "work Americans won't do" and call people racists.