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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 23, 2016 at 12:49 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 12:13 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (November 23, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Jesster Wrote: Peeing in the woods is icky, though 
Nahh it's entirely natural. When I am out hiking naked in a wilderness I just stop, crouch and pee whenever I feel like it. I just need to shake my crotch a bit and the air quickly dries the rest.
I've peed in the woods but I need to have a tissue, napkin, or toilet paper to wipe with. I can't stand the wetness lol.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 23, 2016 at 1:11 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 12:17 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (November 23, 2016 at 12:13 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Nahh it's entirely natural. When I am out hiking naked in a wilderness I just stop, crouch and pee whenever I feel like it. I just need to shake my crotch a bit and the air quickly dries the rest.
WAIT!
Pics or it didn't happen!
Please don't. 
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 23, 2016 at 1:15 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 12:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 23, 2016 at 12:13 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Nahh it's entirely natural. When I am out hiking naked in a wilderness I just stop, crouch and pee whenever I feel like it. I just need to shake my crotch a bit and the air quickly dries the rest.
I've peed in the woods but I need to have a tissue, napkin, or toilet paper to wipe with. I can't stand the wetness lol.
You know, in all our talk of poop here there is one important confront we haven't discussed pooping in the woods. I personally had trouble with that early on but overcame it. Had to laugh at my poor younger brother though on a camping trip together years ago. I get to see all our family foibles in him. Poor bastard nearly popped trying to get back to use campground toilet.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 23, 2016 at 1:39 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 12:04 pm)Whateverist Wrote: But surely you can switch it around for peeing in the woods more easily, can't you?
Ozzy says "Don't pee on the Alamo!".
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 23, 2016 at 4:14 pm
As usual, we all need a reminder that the world is not black and white. There are shades of grey.
1) As far as I know, in most places there needs to be an extensive psychological run-up, years of hormone therapy, and consent of a doctor in order to qualify for GRS. You can't just walk into a surgical center on a whim and ask a surgeon to perform these procedures. So let's disburse with the idea that this is ever a thing done on a whim.
2) Literally anyone who suffers from GD could regret an assignment procedure, however minor. From what I've been told by actual trans friends/acquaintances usually the regret is because of outside reaction or it not turning out to look like what they had in their head--NOT because they "changed their mind" about their gender dysphoria.
3) When a person is a minor, there should be a three pronged decision tree, weighted. The trans person themselves, their parents, and their doctor should all be involved. I don't think there's a doctor in the western world that would perfrom a GRS procedure on a 12 year old, so by the time we are at this point, we are talking about a 16/17 year old. At this point, the parent's ideological/relgious/moral reservations should take a distant distant distant back seat. If they are concerned about their child's wellbeing, concerned about the procedure risks, fine. Ultimately, by the time a person is at the point where GRS is even an option to undergo, they are way past the point where these things are relevant.
I also think it is important to distance this conversation from elective plastic surgeries. This is not the same conversation for many reasons.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 23, 2016 at 4:22 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 4:14 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: As usual, we all need a reminder that the world is not black and white. There are shades of grey.
1) As far as I know, in most places there needs to be an extensive psychological run-up, years of hormone therapy, and consent of a doctor in order to qualify for GRS. You can't just walk into a surgical center on a whim and ask a surgeon to perform these procedures. So let's disburse with the idea that this is ever a thing done on a whim.
2) Literally anyone who suffers from GD could regret an assignment procedure, however minor. From what I've been told by actual trans friends/acquaintances usually the regret is because of outside reaction or it not turning out to look like what they had in their head--NOT because they "changed their mind" about their gender dysphoria.
3) When a person is a minor, there should be a three pronged decision tree, weighted. The trans person themselves, their parents, and their doctor should all be involved. I don't think there's a doctor in the western world that would perfrom a GRS procedure on a 12 year old, so by the time we are at this point, we are talking about a 16/17 year old. At this point, the parent's ideological/relgious/moral reservations should take a distant distant distant back seat. If they are concerned about their child's wellbeing, concerned about the procedure risks, fine. Ultimately, by the time a person is at the point where GRS is even an option to undergo, they are way past the point where these things are relevant.
I also think it is important to distance this conversation from elective plastic surgeries. This is not the same conversation for many reasons.
^this
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 23, 2016 at 4:58 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 1:15 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (November 23, 2016 at 12:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I've peed in the woods but I need to have a tissue, napkin, or toilet paper to wipe with. I can't stand the wetness lol.
You know, in all our talk of poop here there is one important confront we haven't discussed pooping in the woods. I personally had trouble with that early on but overcame it. Had to laugh at my poor younger brother though on a camping trip together years ago. I get to see all our family foibles in him. Poor bastard nearly popped trying to get back to use campground toilet.
I've pooped in the woods a few times. The most recent being 3 years ago when we went hiking in Colorado. We packed tissues for wiping because we knew we'd have to poop at some point during our 15 mile hike up and down the mountain. I had no problem with it, as my poops are always one very healthy log that comes out clean in a matter of seconds.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 23, 2016 at 5:51 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 4:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 23, 2016 at 1:15 pm)Whateverist Wrote: You know, in all our talk of poop here there is one important confront we haven't discussed pooping in the woods. I personally had trouble with that early on but overcame it. Had to laugh at my poor younger brother though on a camping trip together years ago. I get to see all our family foibles in him. Poor bastard nearly popped trying to get back to use campground toilet.
I've pooped in the woods a few times. The most recent being 3 years ago when we went hiking in Colorado. We packed tissues for wiping because we knew we'd have to poop at some point during our 15 mile hike up and down the mountain. I had no problem with it, as my poops are always one very healthy log that comes out clean in a matter of seconds.
Now I'm jealous. Do you attribute that to your Catholicism? Maybe if I were less thoroughly hirsute I would convert. So, guess not.
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 23, 2016 at 5:52 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 1:39 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (November 23, 2016 at 12:04 pm)Whateverist Wrote: But surely you can switch it around for peeing in the woods more easily, can't you?
Ozzy says "Don't pee on the Alamo!".
The musician? I'm not getting it. 
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RE: Teenage surgery without parent's consent
November 23, 2016 at 5:58 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 4:14 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: As usual, we all need a reminder that the world is not black and white. There are shades of grey.
1) As far as I know, in most places there needs to be an extensive psychological run-up, years of hormone therapy, and consent of a doctor in order to qualify for GRS. You can't just walk into a surgical center on a whim and ask a surgeon to perform these procedures. So let's disburse with the idea that this is ever a thing done on a whim.
2) Literally anyone who suffers from GD could regret an assignment procedure, however minor. From what I've been told by actual trans friends/acquaintances usually the regret is because of outside reaction or it not turning out to look like what they had in their head--NOT because they "changed their mind" about their gender dysphoria.
3) When a person is a minor, there should be a three pronged decision tree, weighted. The trans person themselves, their parents, and their doctor should all be involved. I don't think there's a doctor in the western world that would perfrom a GRS procedure on a 12 year old, so by the time we are at this point, we are talking about a 16/17 year old. At this point, the parent's ideological/relgious/moral reservations should take a distant distant distant back seat. If they are concerned about their child's wellbeing, concerned about the procedure risks, fine. Ultimately, by the time a person is at the point where GRS is even an option to undergo, they are way past the point where these things are relevant.
I also think it is important to distance this conversation from elective plastic surgeries. This is not the same conversation for many reasons.
Spot on!
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