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RE: Trump and Pence are not the only reasons to be sad
November 23, 2016 at 11:42 am
I would hardly say his presidency hasn't been without scandal, but compared to what we had before and what we might have ahead, Obama was a pretty good president.
However for me, his presidency will be forever darkened by the NSA revelations and his drone strikes, among other things.
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RE: Trump and Pence are not the only reasons to be sad
November 23, 2016 at 12:48 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 11:42 am)Tiberius Wrote: I would hardly say his presidency hasn't been without scandal, but compared to what we had before and what we might have ahead, Obama was a pretty good president.
However for me, his presidency will be forever darkened by the NSA revelations and his drone strikes, among other things.
Also for a guy who got the Nobel peace prize and starting more wars than Bush. I agree he was a okay president he was not a great but and okay president for a Oligarch.
That and the fact he suppressed free speech when it comes to the fact that our government is doing shady stuff and also a hypocrite when it comes to journalism and government
transparency. This is why Julian Assange, Snowden and the other person i forget her name is in jail being treated inhumanely. That and why hasn't he spoken out about Dakota access pipeline people are getting hurt U.S. citizens and native americans are getting hurt and harmed people of militarized police and pmc's and the UN is looking at it calling it a human rights violation so yeah.... Obama great president no hell no far from it he is a alright president not great.
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RE: Trump and Pence are not the only reasons to be sad
November 23, 2016 at 12:52 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote: Allow time to be their judge. allow us the benefit of perspective, let the next generation view what Obama did and did not do in relation to how it shaped or destroyed this decade. Don't be sad yet, and don't declare any president is without scandal. As time will bear out all things.
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RE: Trump and Pence are not the only reasons to be sad
November 23, 2016 at 1:02 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 1:28 am)Losty Wrote: We are saying goodbye to one of the greatest presidents this country has ever had.
Man, for a second there I thought this was a really late Reagan appreciation thread.
Just teasin' ya, Losty.
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RE: Trump and Pence are not the only reasons to be sad
November 23, 2016 at 1:33 pm
The stability and respectability he brought back to the nation after 8 long years of Bush/Cheney was enough by itself to make him among one of the better Presidents in American history.
And now to be slapped in the face with Trump. Indeed, it makes me sad.
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RE: Trump and Pence are not the only reasons to be sad
November 23, 2016 at 1:42 pm
Obama was a mixed bag. He definitely did some great things, but also did some bad things. I think he was one of the better ones, and certainly better than the one that came before, and the new guy replacing him.
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RE: Trump and Pence are not the only reasons to be sad
November 23, 2016 at 1:48 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 1:33 pm)Opoponax Wrote: The stability and respectability he brought back to the nation after 8 long years of Bush/Cheney was enough by itself to make him among one of the better Presidents in American history.
And now to be slapped in the face with Trump. Indeed, it makes me sad.
The DNC pushed a unlikable person to become president. Simply put this election just destroyed the democratic party most young people after this election
probably won't vote democrat anymore. Granted yes Hillary won the popular vote but your vote doesn't matter because well electoral votes are the only ones that truly matter.
If we had a system of one man one vote she would have won hands down. But looking at it she had investigations from the FBI and other departments, wiki leaks and on top of that
she had a unfair advantage even if she cheated Bernie in the nomination which she has done. Looking at it statistically speaking she would have won anyways granted by a few points but even then if she had ran a smarter campaign instead of oh Trumps saying mean things and actually attacked him for his positions instead of over words she would have gotten the electoral votes she needed. You can have legitimate attacks against Pence and Trump granted she had the wiki leaks on her she didn't run a smart campaign. Also pandering it failed her
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RE: Trump and Pence are not the only reasons to be sad
November 23, 2016 at 2:21 pm
(This post was last modified: November 23, 2016 at 2:22 pm by Autumnlicious.)
I look forward to your dumbass running the next campaign.
This election was full of "never happened before". Example: The FBI announcements (that amounted to "never mind") have never occurred before close to an election - until now.
Another example: The NY Times had decided Clinton won months before the election, so they ran continuous Maureen Dowd hit pieces to "keep her honest".
They also never focused on Trump's policies because he was a joke to them.
Blaming Clinton for the election is irrational and wrong.
All the various members of the establishment had decided that since she won, they could get their editorial hit in first.
If I were her, I'd say "Fuck it" and retire to charity work. Frankly, the press deserves Trump. I'm hooting everytime they suck up to him and he basically tells them to go fuck themselves.
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RE: Trump and Pence are not the only reasons to be sad
November 23, 2016 at 2:37 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 2:21 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: I look forward to your dumbass running the next campaign.
This election was full of "never happened before". Example: The FBI announcements (that amounted to "never mind") have never occurred before close to an election - until now.
Another example: The NY Times had decided Clinton won months before the election, so they ran continuous Maureen Dowd hit pieces to "keep her honest".
They also never focused on Trump's policies because he was a joke to them.
Blaming Clinton for the election is irrational and wrong.
All the various members of the establishment had decided that since she won, they could get their editorial hit in first.
If I were her, I'd say "Fuck it" and retire to charity work. Frankly, the press deserves Trump. I'm hooting everytime they suck up to him and he basically tells them to go fuck themselves.
The corporate establishment created Trump rather if he does a good well good on him.
But in some sick irony i will semi sort of miss Obama but well at the same time no i wont.
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RE: Trump and Pence are not the only reasons to be sad
November 23, 2016 at 3:08 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote: Don't be sad yet, and don't declare any president is without scandal. As time will bear out all things.
Oh right. Nobody has ever been able to name one credible scandal or crime that Obama's supposedly committed, in spite of all the calls of "Impeach Obama!", but yet after he leaves office is when all his shady dealings and corrupt behavior will come out. Give me a break.
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