Would you attack the Church if you could?

[Cyberman]

Downloading it right now from the Internet Archive. It's on Youtube, but I can't be arsed to watch it through a proxy to pretend I'm in a country where I'm allowed to see it.

[Catholic_Lady]

What do you mean by "the Church" though? Do you mean the specific individuals who work for the Church and who have committed the crime of either abuse or cover up or fail to report a known crime? 

"The Church" consists of much more than those individuals. 

But yes, I do agree that anyone involved should pay accordingly.

It is not a "few people" of the Church. The whole organization is structured in a way that it protects molesters. We are not talking about the corruption of a few, we are talking about the corruption of the whole institution. There is a documentary about this: Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God

Please, PLEASE. Watch that documentary. That is if you have the strenght to watch it until the end. Hopefully you will reconsider your beliefs. 

I will look into the documentary if I come across it, but keep in mind documentaries are by no means free from biases. Also I don't know what you mean about the "whole organization". Catholicism is a religious belief, and the Catholic Church is made up of all of us Catholics. My beliefs on dogmatic teachings are separate from whatever actions may be taken by certain groups of people who work within the Church. So it doesn't make sense that I would all of the sudden stop believing that Jesus is the son of God conceived by the Holy Spirit, etc etc, and everything else, due to what others have done.

[Macoleco]

Downloading it right now from the Internet Archive. It's on Youtube, but I can't be arsed to watch it through a proxy to pretend I'm in a country where I'm allowed to see it.

I tried to find it, but all of them were in spanish. But it is definitely worth watching.

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It is not a "few people" of the Church. The whole organization is structured in a way that it protects molesters. We are not talking about the corruption of a few, we are talking about the corruption of the whole institution. There is a documentary about this: Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God

Please, PLEASE. Watch that documentary. That is if you have the strenght to watch it until the end. Hopefully you will reconsider your beliefs. 

I will look into the documentary if I come across it, but keep in mind documentaries are by no means free from biases. Also I don't know what you mean about the "whole organization". Catholicism is a religious belief, and the Catholic Church is made up of all of us Catholics. My beliefs on dogmatic teachings are separate from whatever actions may be taken by certain groups of people who work within the Church. So it doesn't make sense that I would all of the sudden stop believing that Jesus is the son of God conceived by the Holy Spirit, etc etc, and everything else, due to what others have done.

Believing in Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit makes you no different from Jews, Mormons, Witnesses of Jeohva, etc. It is the Catholic Church which bonds all catholics together.

Now I am not an expert, but as far as I know, the Church is very systematic in its beliefs. If the church says something, every catholic is supposed to accept as far as I know. Dogmas, rituals, etc.

[Excited Penguin]

I think the approach to take with religion is Street Epistemology. Conversing with believers in a friendly, mutually interesting way that makes them question their own beliefs as a result of Socratic lines of questioning.

Look up Anthony Magnabosco on YouTube for a clear, concise demonstration of this concept in practice.

[Catholic_Lady]

I will look into the documentary if I come across it, but keep in mind documentaries are by no means free from biases. Also I don't know what you mean about the "whole organization". Catholicism is a religious belief, and the Catholic Church is made up of all of us Catholics. My beliefs on dogmatic teachings are separate from whatever actions may be taken by certain groups of people who work within the Church. So it doesn't make sense that I would all of the sudden stop believing that Jesus is the son of God conceived by the Holy Spirit, etc etc, and everything else, due to what others have done.

Believing in Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit makes you no different from Jews, Mormons, Witnesses of Jeohva, etc.

That's why I said "etc etc, and everything else." Also, Jews would not be in that category.

[Mr Greene]

What could we do that the believers haven't already done themselves?

[vorlon13]

Actually I think all churches should have to pay property taxes and sales tax.  They shouldn't get a free ride just because they're a religion.  Just think of how much tax revenue we could raise from all these multi-million dollar megachurches out there.  In return, preachers will be allowed to preach politics from the pulpit if they want (like many of them already do and get away with it).  But religion would still be kept out of government as per the First Amendment.

Piffle !

Poppycock !!

Churches don't have to pay taxes, says so in the BIBLE you twit !!!



Romans 13New International Version (NIV)

Submission to Governing Authorities
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.





I certainly hopes this puts an end to this foolishness !!

[NuclearEnergy]

Wow, that's sort of disturbing you feel this way.

[energizer bunny]

No, I'm happily living my own life and have no desire to attack anything.