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Plane crash in South America
#11
RE: Plane crash in South America
BAe 146 is a very sturdy plane.

One went supersonic during a hijacking/murder suicide and it didn't break up till impact.

The 4 engine design is very redundant for such a small plane and gives it exceptional take-off performance. And it looks like there were some survivors, just a slightly different accident and it would have been survivable for most/all.
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#12
RE: Plane crash in South America
Quote:Yes, I know the planes are aging. I personally worked on one of them (KC-135).

I congratulate you for meeting your work schedule.

What they are talking about is a problem which originates somewhat above the level of an individual mechanic, though.

When you have admirals testifying before Congress it is past time to address the problem.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buz...isis-16367

Quote:U.S. Naval Aviation’s Readiness Crisis

Quote:The U.S. Navy’s strike fighter squadrons are in dire straits with only one out of three Boeing F/A-18 Hornet airframes being ready for war at any given time. In order to meet its operational requirements, the service is routinely raiding squadrons that are not deployed to secure enough jets for the air wings at are about to go to sea.

“If I have to ensure that I have ten like strike fighters are in a single squadron on that aircraft carrier and they need the same capability, I will tax units that are back here at home,” Adm. Philip Davidson, commander of U.S. Fleet Forces Command testified before the House Armed Services Committee on May 26.
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#13
RE: Plane crash in South America
(November 29, 2016 at 3:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Yes, I know the planes are aging. I personally worked on one of them (KC-135).

I congratulate you for meeting your work schedule.

What they are talking about is a problem which originates somewhat above the level of an individual mechanic, though.

When you have admirals testifying before Congress it is past time to address the problem.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buz...isis-16367

Quote:U.S. Naval Aviation’s Readiness Crisis

Quote:The U.S. Navy’s strike fighter squadrons are in dire straits with only one out of three Boeing F/A-18 Hornet airframes being ready for war at any given time. In order to meet its operational requirements, the service is routinely raiding squadrons that are not deployed to secure enough jets for the air wings at are about to go to sea.

“If I have to ensure that I have ten like strike fighters are in a single squadron on that aircraft carrier and they need the same capability, I will tax units that are back here at home,” Adm. Philip Davidson, commander of U.S. Fleet Forces Command testified before the House Armed Services Committee on May 26.

Yet again, I know they are aging far too much. No fucking shit, Min. I am speaking comparatively. The civilian side, despite its advantage of newer models, still does not come anywhere near the military's level of safety in their aircraft. I never said there weren't problems that need some obvious fixes. You are only looking at one side of this, though.

But please, keep attacking a stance I am not taking. That helps.
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#14
RE: Plane crash in South America
Yeah, I'm pretty sure maintenance schedules are more crowded in the military than on a civilian flightline. Citing operational readiness numbers is, at best, an indirect statement of manpower/spare parts issues -- but neither changes the actual maintenance practiced on operational a/c.

A military flightline is an environment where pencil-whipping a maintenance schedule can and will get you jail time.

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RE: Plane crash in South America
(November 29, 2016 at 1:53 pm)abaris Wrote: Just think of it that way. The risk of having an accident driving to the airport is far greater than the flight.

Say that to the people who died in the crash. And to the plane victims of 9/11 as well. I'm sure they thought the same when they got on board. That's why I'm terrified of planes in general and the only way I could be made to set foot on a plane is either when I'm already dead or heavily sedated, so that I wouldn't know it happened when the plane falls. Gravity forgives no one, you know? What goes up must go down eventually. Besides, if nature wanted to us to fly, it would have made us with wings.
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(November 29, 2016 at 10:21 pm)Atheist_BG Wrote:
(November 29, 2016 at 1:53 pm)abaris Wrote: Just think of it that way. The risk of having an accident driving to the airport is far greater than the flight.

Say that to the people who died in the crash. And to the plane victims of 9/11 as well. I'm sure they thought the same when they got on board. That's why I'm terrified of planes in general and the only way I could be made to set foot on a plane is either when I'm already dead or heavily sedated, so that I wouldn't know it happened when the plane falls. Gravity forgives no one, you know? What goes up must go down eventually. Besides, if nature wanted to us to fly, it would have made us with wings.

LOL... So I guess you don't get into a car either, do you? Because more people die per day in car accidents, than died on 911. And if nature wanted us to roll around at 60mph - it would have given us wheels and diesel engines...  Rolleyes
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#17
RE: Plane crash in South America
Oh dear, the is/ought fallacy has been played. Lovely.

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#18
RE: Plane crash in South America
(November 29, 2016 at 10:21 pm)Atheist_BG Wrote:
(November 29, 2016 at 1:53 pm)abaris Wrote: Just think of it that way. The risk of having an accident driving to the airport is far greater than the flight.

Say that to the people who died in the crash. And to the plane victims of 9/11 as well. I'm sure they thought the same when they got on board. That's why I'm terrified of planes in general and the only way I could be made to set foot on a plane is either when I'm already dead or heavily sedated, so that I wouldn't know it happened when the plane falls. Gravity forgives no one, you know? What goes up must go down eventually. Besides, if nature wanted to us to fly, it would have made us with wings.

I'm a very nervous flier too, so to some degree I get it. But at the same time I do realise it's a very irrational fear. I know the statistics, it is by far the very safest way to travel, and if you were going to have that mentality of "something might go wrong" you would never leave your house.

I'm actually looking into seeking some professional help for my fear, because I'm not going to let it stop me from travelling. My Dad spent most of his adult life basically trapped in Northwestern Europe because he couldn't be dragged onto a plane drugged, and I never got to see his parents' home country until I was 21 as a result.
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#19
RE: Plane crash in South America
(November 29, 2016 at 10:21 pm)Atheist_BG Wrote:
(November 29, 2016 at 1:53 pm)abaris Wrote: Just think of it that way. The risk of having an accident driving to the airport is far greater than the flight.

Say that to the people who died in the crash. And to the plane victims of 9/11 as well. I'm sure they thought the same when they got on board. That's why I'm terrified of planes in general and the only way I could be made to set foot on a plane is either when I'm already dead or heavily sedated, so that I wouldn't know it happened when the plane falls. Gravity forgives no one, you know? What goes up must go down eventually. Besides, if nature wanted to us to fly, it would have made us with wings.

I just want to say that the people who died on 9/11 weren't victims of poor maintenance or an accident, but were purposely murdered. There is a difference.
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#20
RE: Plane crash in South America
(November 29, 2016 at 10:21 pm)Atheist_BG Wrote: Say that to the people who died in the crash. And to the plane victims of 9/11 as well. I'm sure they thought the same when they got on board. That's why I'm terrified of planes in general and the only way I could be made to set foot on a plane is either when I'm already dead or heavily sedated, so that I wouldn't know it happened when the plane falls. Gravity forgives no one, you know? What goes up must go down eventually. Besides, if nature wanted to us to fly, it would have made us with wings.

I say that to me. I'v got fear of flying myself. Doesn't make it any more rational though, since the facts say it's the safest way of commuting. I'm not afraid of riding my car on the motorway, which is statistically much more dangerous than boarding a plane.
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