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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
December 1, 2016 at 4:54 pm
(December 1, 2016 at 4:36 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (December 1, 2016 at 4:25 pm)Alex K Wrote: Maybe because your comment was pretty much a non sequitur, so it's hard to guess what you actually mean?
Lol so because you've misunderstood/misinterpreted you just assign what you want?
I don't really get what's so hard to understand, do you guys just like to argue or what?
Abaris said he would be hard pressed to name a country that has a losing candidate with 2.5 million less votes.
I effectively made 2 points that might give an explanation as to why (without going into super duper detail for those with such poor reading comprehension to understand):
1. Population
2. Democracy
Point 1: You would probably find it hard to find a candidate with 2.5 million less votes, because guess what, most countries don't have a population as high as the US's in order for that to regularly or realistically occur
Point 2: Most countries don't function the same democratically as the US, or even similarly.
Is that better? Or am I "telling you that implementing proportional elections wouldn't be feasible because the US is too big"?
I understand why Alex was confused because neither of those points are relevant. I don't think you understood Abaris' point. He means that a system that would elect the person who got 2.5 million less votes than the other candidate is a fundamentally undemocratic system. Yeah, the U.S. is big and we're the only ones with an electoral college...thanks for the factoids. That doesn't address the point he was making
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
December 1, 2016 at 4:58 pm
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(December 1, 2016 at 4:54 pm)Aegon Wrote: I understand why Alex was confused because neither of those points are relevant. I don't think you understood Abaris' point. He means that a system that would elect the person who got 2.5 million less votes than the other candidate is a fundamentally undemocratic system. Yeah, the U.S. is big and we're the only ones with an electoral college...thanks for the factoids. That doesn't address the point he was making
No I got the point, but backing it up with "I would be hard pressed to name another country with yada yada" is not really saying anything towards said point because of those 'factoids' (ie. actual explanations). Hence my comment.
No other country is going to be comparable is it, so it's a meaningless fucking statement to say you'd be hard pressed to find another country comparable.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
December 1, 2016 at 5:00 pm
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No, you're acting as if the absolute number of the discrepancy were important rather than the fact that it's simply a lot of votes compared to the total, in order to dismiss Abaris' argument based on an irrelevancy.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
December 1, 2016 at 5:03 pm
(December 1, 2016 at 4:53 pm)abaris Wrote: So, what did you say, other than something Napoleon didn't actually say
Edited for satirical purposes.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
December 1, 2016 at 5:05 pm
(December 1, 2016 at 5:03 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (December 1, 2016 at 4:53 pm)abaris Wrote: So, what did you say, other than something Napoleon didn't actually say
Edited for satirical purposes.
Yeah, usual slimy shitpost.
(December 1, 2016 at 4:06 pm)Napoléon Wrote: That's cuz most countries don't have a population the size of the US's. Or democracy.
Just sayin'.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
December 1, 2016 at 5:07 pm
I am so bored. Here is my shitpost for the year: hitler was a veggie. Kill all veggiez.. *yawns while angry responses pile up.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
December 1, 2016 at 5:17 pm
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(December 1, 2016 at 5:00 pm)Alex K Wrote: No, you're acting as if the absolute number of the discrepancy were important rather than the fact that it's simply a lot of votes compared to the total, in order to dismiss Abaris' argument based on an irrelevancy.
Wasn't dismissing abaris' argument at all, you have put that inflection on my words. For the record I think the argument is a valid one.
I was actually pointing out that his secondary statement to back it up was indeed the irrelevancy. That he cannot name another country where 2.5 million people less voted for the winning candidate, is the precise thing that is irrelevant here.
Bored now.
(December 1, 2016 at 5:05 pm)abaris Wrote: (December 1, 2016 at 4:06 pm)Napoléon Wrote: That's cuz most countries don't have a population the size of the US's. Or democracy.
Just sayin'.
Wow you actually quoted exactly what I said. Thanks!
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
December 1, 2016 at 5:29 pm
(December 1, 2016 at 5:17 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (December 1, 2016 at 5:00 pm)Alex K Wrote: No, you're acting as if the absolute number of the discrepancy were important rather than the fact that it's simply a lot of votes compared to the total, in order to dismiss Abaris' argument based on an irrelevancy.
Wasn't dismissing abaris' argument at all, you have put that inflection on my words. For the record I think the argument is a valid one.
I was actually pointing out that his secondary statement to back it up was indeed the irrelevancy. That he cannot name another country where 2.5 million people less voted for the winning candidate, is the precise thing that is irrelevant here.
I don't know what the fuck you are blathering about.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
December 1, 2016 at 5:30 pm
(December 1, 2016 at 5:29 pm)Alex K Wrote: I don't know what the fuck you are blathering about.
Well you can't read plain English so I'm not surprised.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
December 1, 2016 at 5:31 pm
(December 1, 2016 at 5:17 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (December 1, 2016 at 5:00 pm)Alex K Wrote: No, you're acting as if the absolute number of the discrepancy were important rather than the fact that it's simply a lot of votes compared to the total, in order to dismiss Abaris' argument based on an irrelevancy.
Wasn't dismissing abaris' argument at all, you have put that inflection on my words. For the record I think the argument is a valid one.
I was actually pointing out that his secondary statement to back it up was indeed the irrelevancy. That he cannot name another country where 2.5 million people less voted for the winning candidate, is the precise thing that is irrelevant here.
Bored now.
So...you actually agree with his primary statement, and we've spent an entire page arguing about the semantics of it?
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