My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees

[henryp]

Does what Syria and Russia are doing to those people seem out of character with the history of humanity?  

It's kind of silly.  America is here because our ancestors killed a lot of people.  A LOT of people.  And once they got everything they wanted, and were on top of the world, they said "Alright!  Time Out!  Killing's bad.  Everybody has to be nice now!"  

Indians:  Now that you guys admit conquering is bad, can we have our land back.
US: Sorry buddy, that was before we called timeout on conquering.  
US: *TIME IN!* invades Iraq *TIME OUT*
Syria: Doh! You guys are very quick with your times ins and outs!

again appeal to  historic precedent won't help you here

I'm saying this is how things are. That's just the dice evolution rolled.  It's not good or bad.  It just is.  Our evolutionary situation has put us in a nice safe comfortable bubble.  But do you see that you are viewing this from a very specific perspective that only applies to people in a very specific place and time.

And that the twofold irony, that your specific place and time were created by 1) the thing you are condemning (sorry indians), 2) a system that allows your place and time to be preserved through the actions you are condemning without you having to feel responsible for it (I held up a sign against it).

[Jesster]

Well one good thing came from this thread. I've realized that I am not the most depressed person here. Macoleco and wallym get to fight over that trophy.

Only those who see the world for what it is, and find the strenght to keep going are free.

I promised you a trophy. This one should do.

[Catholic_Lady]

Is that so? If I recall correctly, you dont feel sick about the Vatican protecting child molesters. You even defend the vatican. Reconsider your morals.

Um right. That's exactly what I said.

No, what I actually said was that I object to YOU fantasizing about killing every priest, bishop, Cardinal, and pope, because the vast majority of them had nothing to do with the molestation or with the cover ups. You know that. Way to purposely misrepresent.

And yeah... How silly of me to defend innocent ppl from those who fantasize about slaughtering them. You are a sick, twisted individual.

Ugh. And now I can't sleep bc I feel bad for saying that last sentence. Damn it.

Moleco, I don't think you're a bad person and my apologies for saying that. But I do think you need to work on how you view your fellow human beings. Some of the stuff you have said in the forums is just not ok.

[Amarok]

Um right. That's exactly what I said.

No, what I actually said was that I object to YOU fantasizing about killing every priest, bishop, Cardinal, and pope, because the vast majority of them had nothing to do with the molestation or with the cover ups. You know that. Way to purposely misrepresent.

And yeah... How silly of me to defend innocent ppl from those who fantasize about slaughtering them. You are a sick, twisted individual.

If you remember correctly, I stated many times on that thread I would not do that for real. Nor do I fantasize about it. Stop twisting my words to your convenience.

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Well one good thing came from this thread. I've realized that I am not the most depressed person here. Macoleco and wallym get to fight over that trophy.

Only those who see the world for what it is, and find the strenght to keep going are free.

only people who see through your black glass ?

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again appeal to  historic precedent won't help you here

I'm saying this is how things are. That's just the dice evolution rolled.  It's not good or bad.  It just is.  Our evolutionary situation has put us in a nice safe comfortable bubble.  But do you see that you are viewing this from a very specific perspective that only applies to people in a very specific place and time.

And that the twofold irony, that your specific place and time were created by 1) the thing you are condemning (sorry indians), 2) a system that allows your place and time to be preserved through the actions you are condemning without you having to feel responsible for it (I held up a sign against it).

WTF

[henryp]

Bold is mine.
Just how exactly do you know this? You don't. The only pitiful thing here is you projecting your own apathy onto others.

 
Apathy indeed just as wall tries to cloak his inhumanity in intellectual babble

I'm not trying to 'cloak my inhumanity'.  I'm a sociopath.  Much of what you consider to be someone's 'humanity' I just don't have.  I think it's a considered a mental illness though, so if you call me names, you're a bigot.

[Amarok]

 
Apathy indeed just as wall tries to cloak his inhumanity in intellectual babble

I'm not trying to 'cloak my inhumanity'.  I'm a sociopath.  Much of what you consider to be someone's 'humanity' I just don't have.  I think it's a considered a mental illness though, so if you call me names, you're a bigot.

Nope I'm calling something what it is by your own admission

[Jesster]

 
Apathy indeed just as wall tries to cloak his inhumanity in intellectual babble

I'm not trying to 'cloak my inhumanity'.  I'm a sociopath.  Much of what you consider to be someone's 'humanity' I just don't have.  I think it's a considered a mental illness though, so if you call me names, you're a bigot.

Well at least you admit your sociopathy. Now can we all agree that your stance is not the norm that we should all be working from?

[Macoleco]

If Schopenhauer was alive, and he had access to internet and this forum, you would call it a depressed, sad, lonely man.

I dont consider myself to be a bad person, nor do I think I have a grim vision of the world. I just dont like thinking everything is peace and love.

[Jesster]

... because if you can't agree with a grimdark view of reality, you are obviously a white knight who thinks everything is all peace and love. Yay for straw-man extremes.

[henryp]

Does what Syria and Russia are doing to those people seem out of character with the history of humanity?  

It's kind of silly.  America is here because our ancestors killed a lot of people.  A LOT of people.  And once they got everything they wanted, and were on top of the world, they said "Alright!  Time Out!  Killing's bad.  Everybody has to be nice now!"  

Indians:  Now that you guys admit conquering is bad, can we have our land back.
US: Sorry buddy, that was before we called timeout on conquering.  
US: *TIME IN!* invades Iraq *TIME OUT*
Syria: Doh! You guys are very quick with your times ins and outs!

What's your point? As time goes on and as we become more civilized, we learn from our mistakes, and things that were thought to be "ok" at one point, like slavery, rape, and genocide, are now seen as the monstrocities that they really are. It's disturbing to see someone saying that killing innocent ppl is a "fine" option just because it was viewed as ok at certain points in history. I'd like to think decent, civilized people have moved past that.

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There's an idea I've been trying to flush out in my mind I think of as progressive privilege.  It's this weird phenomenon, where a group of people feel their pace for figuring out morality should dictate the pace of the entirety of humanity.  It's a very odd thing.
Gay rights is the easiest example.  In 2008, everybody voted for a candidate who said marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman.  Hillary, Barack, and McCain.  Unanimous, across the board.  Fast -forward 8 years, and Hillary is saying if you are against gay marriage, you are a deplorable bigot.  
Somehow, her changing her opinion means everybody else also had to change their position.  People seem to think wherever they are is where everyone else should be.  We, I include myself, don't want slavery, rape, or genocide.  But that's just a coincidence of our circumstance.  If it were 1500, I'd be loving me some slaves, raping, and genocide, (or hating it depending on where I was)
The tricky part, and this is where my lack of empathy helps me empathize, is that us thinking slavery/rape/genocide is bad doesn't make it bad for everyone else.  Slavery/Rape/Genocide are the same as always.  They haven't gotten better or worse.  They are just actions.  The good bad stuff is our own creation. 
I'm sure as a Catholic, you have to wrap your head around this type of thing all the time.  Do you view John Paul II a bigot?  Or Francis as a heretic? 
It's trickier, I think, than people like to let on.

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I'm not trying to 'cloak my inhumanity'.  I'm a sociopath.  Much of what you consider to be someone's 'humanity' I just don't have.  I think it's a considered a mental illness though, so if you call me names, you're a bigot.

Nope I'm calling something what it is by your own admission

I wasn't implying you were calling me names.  It's a bit of an inside joke for myself.  A thing REALLY progressive folks like is neurodiversity.  The intention was to get autistic folks under the umbrella, but a side effect is that my 'inhumanity' as you would put it, should be 'recognized and respected' in the same way gender/sexual preference/ethnicity are.  I get a kick out of it, because it fucks up their system.

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Re: Sociopathy invalidates my perspective
Depends.  Do you think a detached perspective can be better than a that of a person who is heavily invested?