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My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
(December 6, 2016 at 11:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(December 6, 2016 at 11:33 pm)Jesster Wrote: Yes, a few times

I must admit I skimmed through a lot of what he and maleco said bc it was upsetting me.

I don't blame you at all. It has been a very dark thread.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
(December 6, 2016 at 11:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(December 6, 2016 at 11:03 pm)wallym Wrote: That's why I post on an Atheist forum, and not a Catholic forum.  You can 100% apply your moral objections to others, because you've got God putting his stamp on it, which gives it authority over everyone, whether they believe it or not.  


The complication is that I disagree on God existing.  

But it can still be hard to be consistent.  Like abortion.  You think life begins at conception, I assume, and people are murdering babies in the womb?  Other people think it's just a 'fetus' and isn't human yet.  So can they have an abortion or not?  

It's a very similar situation.  Do you find abortion to be objectively immoral, and think they should be outlawed regardless of what others believe?  Or do you accept the differing opinions, and it's okay for them to get an abortion?

Fetus is just a stage of development, not a species. Being a fetus, like being an infant, teenager, adult, etc, doesn't mean not being human.

Sure, ppl can think a human fetus is not human and therefore has no right to life. But some ppl used to also think blacks were not really human and it was therefore  "ok" to enslave them or kill them. Truth of the matter is humans are humans whether you believe they are or not, and some things are wrong whether you believe they are or not. Such as Killing and enslaving innocent ppl.

(December 6, 2016 at 11:19 pm)Jesster Wrote: He already claimed to be a sociopath

Like, literally?


I'm with you on fetus's being humans.  Seems pretty clear.

But what we see from a lot of Catholics,  is the "I think it's murdering an innocent baby, but I respect their right to choose."  Which, to me, is exactly the same as what I was saying about it being fine for people who don't value human life to kill the Syrian Refugees.  

Yes to sociopathy.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
Well I'm sorry for your condition, as I know you have no control over it. But that doesn't mean you can't still think hurting others is Immoral regardless of whether or not you have empathy for them.

As for abortion, I don't think anyone has the right to choose to kill any other innocent person. I could just as easily say "slavery is wrong, but if you don't believe blacks are ppl, I respect your right to choose to enslave them." Anyway, moving on. I don't want to turn this into another abortion thread.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
(December 6, 2016 at 11:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(December 6, 2016 at 10:47 pm)wallym Wrote: Yes, I can feel sorry for a very few people.  But kid's in Africa are not among those people.  I don't bare them any ill will, I'm just indifferent.  I can't care about them anymore than you could not care about them, I imagine.

Who do you feel sorry for.

I bet you cry every morning in name of the kids at Africa lolz
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
(December 6, 2016 at 11:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well I'm sorry for your condition, as I know you have no control over it. But that doesn't mean you can't still think hurting others is Immoral regardless of whether or not you have empathy for them.

As for abortion, I don't think anyone has the right to choose to kill any other innocent person. I could just as easily say "slavery is wrong, but if you don't believe blacks are ppl, I respect your right to choose to enslave them." Anyway, moving on. I don't want to turn this into another abortion thread.

Nothing to be sorry about...well, the pits of hell, I suppose from your pov. Although can God really screw me on that one, when I gots a broke brain?

And good for you on your abortion stance, I think your reasoning is 100% spot on, and you're doing Catholicism right.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
(December 6, 2016 at 10:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Human life has inherent value. It is valuable regardless of anyone's opinion on it. And taking away innocent human life is an objectively immoral thing to do. It isn't "just fine" so long as the person who does the killing doesn't care.

There's always -some- point of agreement, no matter how disparate the points of dispersion.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
(December 6, 2016 at 11:56 pm)Macoleco Wrote:
(December 6, 2016 at 11:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Who do you feel sorry for.

I bet you cry every morning in name of the kids at Africa lolz

No, but I always need to change the channel when those commercials come on. If I don't, I'll keep thinking about it and it'll keep me up at night bc it really upsets me and there's nothing I can do about it except give to charity. I think someone who doesn't feel the same way probably has something not right with them.

What was your point anyway?

(December 7, 2016 at 12:01 am)wallym Wrote:
(December 6, 2016 at 11:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well I'm sorry for your condition, as I know you have no control over it. But that doesn't mean you can't still think hurting others is Immoral regardless of whether or not you have empathy for them.

As for abortion, I don't think anyone has the right to choose to kill any other innocent person. I could just as easily say "slavery is wrong, but if you don't believe blacks are ppl, I respect your right to choose to enslave them." Anyway, moving on. I don't want to turn this into another abortion thread.

Nothing to be sorry about...well, the pits of hell, I suppose from your pov. Although can God really screw me on that one, when I gots a broke brain?

My pov is that each person is taken on a case by case basis. If you have a mental disorder of which you did not choose, it is taken into account.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
Terrible answer CL. Being hypersensitive does not make you a better person than me. And yes, being hypersensitive is a thing according to psychologists.

Crying like crazy for everyone suffering in the world makes you immature.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
(December 7, 2016 at 12:38 am)Macoleco Wrote: Terrible answer CL. Being hypersensitive does not make you a better person than me. And yes, being hypersensitive is a thing according to psychologists.

Crying like crazy for everyone suffering in the world makes you immature.

I said I don't cry about it.

And I never said I was better than you.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
(December 7, 2016 at 12:38 am)Macoleco Wrote: Terrible answer CL. Being hypersensitive does not make you a better person than me. And yes, being hypersensitive is a thing according to psychologists.

Crying like crazy for everyone suffering in the world makes you immature.

1. She said the complete opposite

2.It's no more a psychosis to whatever is mentally wrong with you so the pot is calling the kettle black (thou CL doesn't have a psychosis )

3.Your third statement is not a sign of immaturity selfish apathy (like yours is immaturity made manifest)

4. oh and there you go macy projecting again
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