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Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
December 12, 2016 at 4:32 pm
I view Conservatism and Conservatives as a threat to democracy and a properly run government. It has a history of stopping and turning back reforms. The Republican Party has shown that it really does not care for the middle and lower classes, but only cares for the rich and the corporate elite. Add Dominionism to the mix and you have a very poisonous cocktail indeed.
I am really frightened for the future of America and for my people. Let me explain: by "my people" I mean all of the Nones and Secularists that make up part of the Left, the atheists, agnostics, and Freethinkers and all the un-churched. For many years I have seen the Religious Right as dangerous, and especially when I found out how the Dominionists view those who are not exactly like them, and how they want to establish a fascist theocratic Christian state. Levitical Law is quite clear: those who do not cow-tow to the deity are eliminated. We are in grave danger here in America. And those of you around the other parts of the world are in danger too.
So what I am getting at is that I do not think we who are Progressive in our politics and are skeptical of religion should be complacent or unprepared for what is coming down the road. I think we need to be more aggressive in our response to Conservatism and Dominionism. We should be doing all that we need to do to protect ourselves from a possible oppressive regime.
So far I have not seen any discussion about taking measures to protect ourselves within the Secularist community. Thus I am kick starting it now.
What are everyone else's thoughts?
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RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
December 12, 2016 at 4:36 pm
Run good candidates and win elections.
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RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
December 12, 2016 at 4:46 pm
Be effective at persuasive arguments and win others over to your side. Politics should be like the game "MouseTrap"! Roll the dice , move the mice. Nobody gets hurt.
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RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
December 12, 2016 at 4:52 pm
Mid-term elections in two years. Remind people that we don't only elect a President every four years.
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RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
December 13, 2016 at 5:05 pm
In the current environment, with Trump's term starting, voting conservative is dangerous. But not all conservative ideas are bad -- fiscal responsibility, for instance. Not all conservatism is religiously-based, either.
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RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
December 13, 2016 at 5:45 pm
If only our conservatives actually practiced fiscal responsibility. Like everything else that comes out of their mouths, it's total bullshit.
As for Trump, I wouldn't really worry about the dominionists or any sort religious issue. I'm more worried about him strengthening the oligarchy and eroding the middle class.
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RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
December 13, 2016 at 10:57 pm
(December 13, 2016 at 5:45 pm)Faith No More Wrote: If only our conservatives actually practiced fiscal responsibility. Like everything else that comes out of their mouths, it's total bullshit.
As for Trump, I wouldn't really worry about the dominionists or any sort religious issue. I'm more worried about him strengthening the oligarchy and eroding the middle class.
I agree that most of them are indeed full of shit, not just regarding fiscal responsibility, but "small" government as well.
That indicts the politicians, though -- not the principle.
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RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
December 13, 2016 at 11:35 pm
Get liberals to vote nationwide and this will all be a thing of the past.
Liberals. Don't. Vote.
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RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
December 14, 2016 at 4:28 pm
(December 13, 2016 at 10:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I agree that most of them are indeed full of shit, not just regarding fiscal responsibility, but "small" government as well.
They are for smaller government... unless you have a uterus, enjoy sex with someone of the same gender, or want to use the restroom of your choice.
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RE: Trump and Conservatism As A Threat: What Should Be Done?
December 15, 2016 at 3:50 am
(December 14, 2016 at 4:28 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (December 13, 2016 at 10:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I agree that most of them are indeed full of shit, not just regarding fiscal responsibility, but "small" government as well.
They are for smaller government... unless you have a uterus, enjoy sex with someone of the same gender, or want to use the restroom of your choice.
Yeah, that was rather the point.
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