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RE: Shouldn't the right to die be a human right?
December 13, 2016 at 11:41 pm
(December 13, 2016 at 11:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Which is an unfortunate consequence of trying to legislate the un-legislateable. They recognize they they have no play with the dead and those who wish to be, so they lean on the living. No one lacks the ability to end their life, just stop...you want to argue with someone else, not me, not my position. "They" might make it difficult to have someone -else- end your life, but "they" cannot stop you from doing so, no man can, the end.
What if.you're paralyzed? Quadriplegic?
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RE: Shouldn't the right to die be a human right?
December 13, 2016 at 11:52 pm
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"What if" -imagines the most stretched scenario possible-...and -still- you can elect to die. If all that's left oin the bed is your body, completely paralyzed, fed intravenously against your will (which, btw, is illegal) then you aren't there any more. They're pumping meat to make avoid consequences to the living. There simply isn't any law that keeps us alive. That beyond the power of law.
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RE: Shouldn't the right to die be a human right?
December 13, 2016 at 11:54 pm
How does a person in a vegetative state elect to die?
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RE: Shouldn't the right to die be a human right?
December 13, 2016 at 11:54 pm
Quote:With that said, all 50 states had laws stating that assisted suicide is a felony. Currently there is no law against the act of committing suicide in the United States. In some cases though, suicide is considered “common law crime” unless the victim can be proven to have been of “unsound mind.”
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RE: Shouldn't the right to die be a human right?
December 13, 2016 at 11:55 pm
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(December 13, 2016 at 11:54 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: How does a person in a vegetative state elect to die?
How do they "elect" to do anything, how are they alive?
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RE: Shouldn't the right to die be a human right?
December 13, 2016 at 11:57 pm
Okay, so you're just being pedantic. Gotcha.
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RE: Shouldn't the right to die be a human right?
December 13, 2016 at 11:58 pm
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Oh, I'm the one being pedantic, gee...my bad........lol. If somebody wants to keep pumping resources into me, in a vegatative, state, more power to them, it's only "me" in a legal sense, I'm beyond giving a shit. That's for them, not "me". I have no rights to care about in the first place, I don't even exist, in that scenario.
What we do with meat is not an issue of "rights" for the meat, it's not about the meat. It's about us, the living and non vegetative, how -we- can be leveraged. What's illegal for -us- to do, what "help" we can and can't offer.
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RE: Shouldn't the right to die be a human right?
December 14, 2016 at 12:01 am
(December 13, 2016 at 11:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "What if" -imagines the most stretched scenario possible-...and -still- you can elect to die. If all that's left oin the bed is your body, completely paralyzed, fed intravenously against your will (which, btw, is illegal) then you aren't there any more. They're pumping meat to make avoid consequences to the living. There simply isn't any law that keeps us alive. That beyond the power of law.
Well, my dad was in a situation where he was conscious but unable to end his life as he wanted. I don't think the portrait is as monochromatic as you're painting it, myself.
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RE: Shouldn't the right to die be a human right?
December 14, 2016 at 12:03 am
I only say that because this whole conversation centers around just those types of situations. Of course anyone can get a gun ('Murrica) and make a mess.
But "Right to Die" conversations are most often about terminally sick people, normally with limited options. To say there's nothing a government can do when governments regularly do prevent people from ending their lives in a pain free, mess free, and dignified way is being a bit dense, IMO.
But I get what you're saying.
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RE: Shouldn't the right to die be a human right?
December 14, 2016 at 12:04 am
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Does it? Does it center around those situations? How common are they, how many vegetative people are campaigning for their right to die? In any case, dignified? Like what, a nice calm candlelit party and then they blow their brains out? There is no dignity in death, there's nothing. Pain, what pain, you're dead? Mess, what mess, you're dead?
Point, my point, anyway, is that it's a non-issue that they keep us bickering about like it meant anything, so that they can get work done elsewhere - where it actually matters....where there really is dignity to be stolen, where actual messes are made, where there are still people to feel pain. Control, control.... control.
(December 14, 2016 at 12:01 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Well, my dad was in a situation where he was conscious but unable to end his life as he wanted. I don't think the portrait is as monochromatic as you're painting it, myself.
Unable or unwilling? It's as monochromatic as mortality, and no amount of making it too personal to argue will change that. Human lives are tenuous. If you're conscious, you can end it, if you aren't.......You aren't there anyway. Your father could have, but didn't. Not a judgement, a statement of fact.
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