Are you still grieving? You are not alone.

[AFTT47]

My method of coping has been to detach. I don't look at the news websites any more and don't discuss anything remotely like politics with anyone. I try hard to avoid learning the political opinions of co-workers and neighbors because I know if I learn they supported Trump, they will be vermin in my eyes. I don't see Trump supporters as people with different opinions but as enemies of humanity. They are defective units to me, cancer cells. The only way to avoid constant feelings of disgust and anger for me is to just detach from anything political. It might work for you as well.

I tried this last month and failed.  Where I'm struggling is that I can't read anything without seeing it brought up somewhere in the story or comments, it seems. Article about how some person overcame hardship and triumphed!  Comments are political bashing.
Well, it is still good advice.  FB just has to go,  I hate it anyway, and I cannot stand it now.  I cleaned up my feed so I don't see the trolls, and I still cannot look at it, because even those who agree with me are suffering and going on about it constantly, so that's no help.

Not looking at it won't make it go away, but it's certainly one way of coping with it, since I cannot change anything about it.

No more FB
Only mafia on here, I suppose.
I never talk politics in RL anyway (outside of talking with my hubby or brother), so no problem there.

Is it actually helping you, or do you still feel angry even when not looking at stuff about it?  Also, do you struggle not to look?

It has definitely helped me. I'm not angry when I'm not thinking about it and I just don't think about it much. It's somewhat difficult to avoid news in general but I do it because I know no good will come of looking at it. It helps that I have lots of interests. I just focus elsewhere. I don't know if it's self-discipline or just pain avoidance. You don't stick your hand in a fire because you know it hurts, right?

[paulpablo]

Well I'm a pretty cynical bastard when it comes to friends.  I think friendships are actually fragile things anyway, I've been through enough.

She was never a close friend but we used to have a friendship of sorts.

I just find this particular behavior odd because we used to talk a lot about politics.  It's not like she suddenly discovered anything new then stopped talking to me.

Fair enough but she is a butthurt crybaby and you're better off not having any contact with somebody like that anyway. I have a friend who is an SNP supporter and we haven't fallen out over it.

If you know anything about me, you'll know that I am very much opposed to the idea of Scottish Independence.

Well the relationship between me and her used to be that we'd use each other to talk when bored. Conversations did get deep though sometimes but neither of us would be crying over not talking anymore.

[account_inactive]

Someone I knew for 7 years had a disagreement with me about politics and ended their friendship with me.

I had a vegan friend who I talked to for 2 or 3 years and one day I told them that my family was vegan but I was the only person in my family who still ate meat. She asked me rhetorically if I cared about my own stomach more than the lives of animals and then she removed me from Facebook and never talked to me again.

People like this are fucking ridiculous.

She sounds like an asshole, and as I said to paul, you're probably better off not knowing these people.

Not really a big loss.

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Well the relationship between me and her used to be that we'd use each other to talk when bored. Conversations did get deep though sometimes but neither of us would be crying over not talking anymore.

[Catholic_Lady]

I think it's crazy how so many left wingers I know have real trouble with diversity yet claim to be the most for diversity.

Unfortunately when some people talk about diversity, they are referring to those of different races, sexual identity, and country of origin. It's easy to tolerate those things. Why in the world would I care what someone's skin color is? Or who they prefer to have sex with? Or what country they were born in? I don't care about that. No normal person should. Those are surface things that don't impact me or my life whatsoever.

Diversity of thought is much more difficult to tolerate. People with different religious beliefs, different values, and different political opinions. That right there is real diversity. And tolerating and respecting all people regardless of those things is real tolerance, imho.

[Edwardo Piet]

No "left wingers" by definition don't have trouble with diversity.

You're not liberal by censoring free speech or having problems with diversity, you're anti-liberal by doing that. Being liberal is being pro-liberty. Having trouble with diversty obviously goes against people's freedoms which is authoritarian rather than liberal.

This is what I mean when I say social justice warriors and the regressive left aren't actually left. Nor are they really fighting for social justice.

[abaris]

I think it's crazy how so many left wingers I know have real trouble with diversity yet claim to be the most for diversity.

For the record. I did read the whole of your post. And I said it before, we have nothing in common. I perfectly understand why your scottish friend doesn't want to have anything to do with you. The only thing I don't understand why she bothered with you anyway.

As far as diversity goes. Accepting exclusion, bigotry or resentment isn't accepting diversity. It's the polar opposite. Any opinion or world view based on degrading others to the level of secondary humans is something to fight against. Certainly not something to tolerate.

Diversity of thought is much more difficult to tolerate. People with different religious beliefs, different values, and different political opinions. That right there is real diversity. And tolerating and respecting all people regardless of those things is real tolerance, imho.

Same as I said above. There are lines of thought that can't be tolerated. Well, yes, they should speak their mind, but I'm not willing to tolerate a mindset in the spirit of diversity that fights against common human decency. The part you mentioned in the first paragraph of your post. The one I didn't quote.

To carry it to it's extreme - we're not there yet - I guess noone would stand for accepting Hitler and his merry men in the spirit of diversity. The foundations have already been laid out by the likes of Wilders, Trump and others. The sense of exclusion is the very same. It only remains to be seen if our civilization is strong enough to withstand the onslaught of primitive resentment this time round.

[pocaracas]

I just saw this thread.
I'm sad that you're feeling so down about this, Aroura.

Perfect opportunity to sell the great country that is Portugal!

Okay, now...
crap ahoy:

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I'm going to tell you guys a secret about elections in most places: the side that throws more money at its campaign "usually" wins.
It's all about the money.
Since it's all about the money, it stands to reason that the guy that seems to have a better handle on money should win.

It sucks, but it's the reality of the moment. The best thing Democracy has is that 4 years from now, you get a new chance at voting for that position. Until then, people have to suck it up.
There are some checks and balances. Civil servants will keep doing what they've been doing - don't expect the DMV to become more, nor less, efficient. Most government institutions go on as they were.
We have an old saying around here...

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The flies are new, but the shit is the same.

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Some overall harmful policies may come to pass, while some overall healthy policies may come to not pass... eventually, they'll pass.

Concerning jobs, I'm utterly appalled that anyone would think Trump to improve that... as a representative of the industry, the search for cheaper manpower will inevitably lead to outsourcing of jobs... even more than up to now.
Heck, even China is starting to outsource their jobs! I've heard rumors of businesses moving to Africa, now... oh boy!
Speaking of industry, this is one area that tends to thrive whenever there are conflicts, wars and the like, so I wouldn't expect them to end anytime soon... not that Obama did anything visible in that direction, either... in spite of his "Nobel Peace Prize"...

Farming should keep going, perhaps with some help from the same place it used to come - prevent the usage of "food stamps" on anything but what is home grown... by the big farms - wheat and a few similar products should come back to being the staple foods...

Local governments should remain as they were... So most stuff should remain the same.
Local businesses that can't outsource should go on as before.

With a little bit of luck, Trump will see what's good for the population, as the population are the ones that pay for goods... and propose laws that lead to an overall increase of the people's health...

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Keep your chin up. Things shouldn't change that much.
And you have another go in 4 years.

[account_inactive]

To carry it to it's extreme - we're not there yet - I guess noone would stand for accepting Hitler and his merry men in the spirit of diversity. The foundations have already been laid out by the likes of Wilders, Trump and others. The sense of exclusion is the very same. It only remains to be seen if our civilization is strong enough to withstand the onslaught of primitive resentment this time round.

I see, we're back to the 'Wilders and Trump are literally Hitler' again.

[SteelCurtain]

I think it's crazy how so many left wingers I know have real trouble with diversity yet claim to be the most for diversity.

Unfortunately when some people talk about diversity, they are referring to those of different races, sexual identity, and country of origin. It's easy to tolerate those things. Why in the world would I care what someone's skin color is? Or who they prefer to have sex with? Or what country they were born in? I don't care about that. No normal person should. Those are surface things that don't impact me or my life whatsoever.

Diversity of thought is much more difficult to tolerate. People with different religious beliefs, different values, and different political opinions. That right there is real diversity. And tolerating and respecting all people regardless of those things is real tolerance, imho.

This is what the catch-22 is. If your (global you) thought or belief is that gays shouldn't have the same rights, or that police killing black people without consequence is tolerable, or that women and poor people should be deprived of reproductive choice, or that we should round up and deport 11 million people, or that white nationalism is a position worth legitimizing and supporting, then your opinion is deleterious to a free and open society.

I will support anyone's right to have those opinions, but I will be vocal in my dissent and my attempts to delegitimize those opinions. If that makes me intolerant, so be it. I am, by the same token, intolerant of attempts to evangelize any beliefs in schools or science denial.

[abaris]

I see, we're back to the 'Wilders and Trump are literally Hitler' again.

The primitive arguments are the very same. One has to only swap muslim for jew to see that. Designed for primitives defining themselves over resentment, hatred, fear and exclusion. If they rise up to the real deal, is, as I said, dependant on our level of civilization.