Christianity actually condones murder

[Rolandson]

Here are the verses you only need to know, the first one is from a Parable of Ten Minas.

Luke 19:27 
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me

Psalm 2, from wikipedia half is contributed to King David while half other is for the future messiah, which is actually written in the new testament so christians believe this is speaking about Jesus. If not then wikipedia didn't do their research but then again i have read these verses myself so it looks solid.

Psalm 2:7-12
7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my son;
    today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
    and I will make the nations your inheritance,
    the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron;
    you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”
10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
    be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
    and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
    and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
    Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

Hebrews 5:5
5 In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him,

“You are my Son;
    today I have become your Father.


Ever seen Alucard with Father Anderson scene in the museum, he quotes this verse even though its a good fiction Japanese animation.

But don't get me wrong, this doesn't mean Christians should act towards violence because here is another verse that Jesus said

Matthew 26:52
52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

So let us summarize this.

Basically if i lets say lived in medieval times, i want you to convert to Christ, rid yourself of this world and of your evil ways. I try to be reasonable, bribe you etc. But you don't want to. Well... we tried "pulls out the sword".

Thats basically what you can use to justify murder. Which is why i think its delusion for that guy at Acts17Apologetics that he clearly misrepresents or don't understand the bible or is clearly bias because of his beliefs. It was a video by David Wood where he reacted to a Sam Harris video.

In either case. I have yet seen anything that can refute the knowledge i have shared here. I would love to hear though if they can refute this as a justisification for it.

[Brian37]

And excuses to kill other human beings outside your circle have been made by every religion. Even in Hinduism and Buddhism. If there were a perfectly peaceful religion we could expect to see a geographical location with no record of violence ever. The fact is there has never been a point in our species history where violence did not exist.

Our species morality is in our evolution. Our ability to be cruel or compassionate is in our evolution. Not old holy writings or holy people. Those are things humans have invented to explain why good and bad exist.

Every religion can and does produce concepts of kindness and beauty in artwork and in historical monuments to those figures and societies. But it is not coming from those things magically, it is our species projecting our own attributes into those words and objects.

There is not one nation, friend or foe alike that does not have hospitals or prisons. That says to me our ideas of morality while different as IDEAS don't change the reality of where our morality really is coming from.

Our ability to harm or cooperate is evolutionary just like other mammals. I just watched a PBS nature documentary about American bison and coyotes hunting their caffs. From the bison's perspective the attack on their young is a threat, to the coyote it sees a food source not only to feed itself, but also it's pups.

It is also why we know elephants mourn their dead, why our cats and dogs lick us and snuggle up to us and love us. It is why some dogs will protect an owner or kid. THAT is where morality comes from, not old myths or holy people. No, it is not comforting, but it is reality. To me personally I find that comforting, not in a utopia sense, no. But in the aspect it is amazing that it even happens.

There are very violent aspects of biological life just as there are very violent forces like a black hole. But there is tons of beauty in nature just as a calm night time sky. The crisp view of the stars at night still does not make space itself a good place for humans to live. Just like we might find an elephant nice to look at, I would fuck with a wild one in musk.

[vorlon13]

And we have the don't suffer a witch to live bit, and realize 'witch' means pretty much any woman that isn't practicing the correct religion.

[Cyberman]

Or spreading.

[chimp3]

Whether Jesus condones violence is a moot point considering all the violence that has been done in his name and he doing shit to stop it.

[Brian37]

Whether Jesus condones violence is a moot point considering all the violence that has been done in his name and he doing shit to stop it.

Wait for it, one of our resident theists will make some excuse as to why.

But yea. The God of Abraham is a very horrible concept from this aspect alone. No sane parent would allow to happen to their kids what this god allows to happen to humans if they had the power to stop it. We as humans have an excuse because we are not perfect or all powerful. It would seem to me if one is to make those claims, of "all loving" and "all powerful" seems to be a shitty way to treat someone you say you love. Neglect, spotty cherry picking whom you protect. 

If a couple had several children for example, put them in a room WHILE observing, let one eat broken glass, another to stab the other with a knife, and another to die when they had a temp of 104 for hours or days, beat yet another because it talked back to them, but yet protected the only one they saw as blindly obedient, we would find such parents abusive and or insane.

This God is either inept, malicious or simply does not exist. I refuse to see myself as a mere toy or prop or property for it's own selfish glorification and amusement.

[Astonished]

Whether Jesus condones violence is a moot point considering all the violence that has been done in his name and he doing shit to stop it.

Wait for it, one of our resident theists will make some excuse as to why.

But yea. The God of Abraham is a very horrible concept from this aspect alone. No sane parent would allow to happen to their kids what this god allows to happen to humans if they had the power to stop it. We as humans have an excuse because we are not perfect or all powerful. It would seem to me if one is to make those claims, of "all loving" and "all powerful" seems to be a shitty way to treat someone you say you love. Neglect, spotty cherry picking whom you protect. 

If a couple had several children for example, put them in a room WHILE observing, let one eat broken glass, another to stab the other with a knife, and another to die when they had a temp of 104 for hours or days, beat yet another because it talked back to them, but yet protected the only one they saw as blindly obedient, we would find such parents abusive and or insane.

This God is either inept, malicious or simply does not exist. I refuse to see myself as a mere toy or prop or property for it's own selfish glorification and amusement.

How anyone can claim morality to be objective or absolute when this kind of crap is rife in their bible is beyond comprehension.

[Minimalist]

And we have the don't suffer a witch to live bit, and realize 'witch' means pretty much any woman that isn't practicing the correct religion.

[Astonished]

And we have the don't suffer a witch to live bit, and realize 'witch' means pretty much any woman that isn't practicing the correct religion.

Well, to be fair, anyone who went a-whoring after other gods was to be put to the sword, irrespective of sex.

[Shell B]

Yeah. That's pretty much a given.