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A challenge!
#21
RE: A challenge!
You seem to be under the impression that if you could convince people "God" exists, and that your religion is "true", then everyone would join it.

That's very much not the case. For some people, yes. But not for me, and not for many others here. Religion is irrelevant to me, and how I live my life, regardless of any truth it holds.
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#22
RE: A challenge!
(January 2, 2017 at 11:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I want one on one debates on three separate assertions.

One debate for each?
Ain't nobody got time for that!


Kidding! I think I can take on any of those.

(January 2, 2017 at 11:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. If God exists, there is a true religion out there.
A bit like Rob said... Only if "out there" can mean "not yet devised by man".
Also, if there is a god, why is religion required at all?

Oh...wait... That's not your premise. You're saying "if God exists". As in a particular god with particular properties... You'll have to define that boy very well. And once you do, it will be shown to be in your imagination.
Which automatically disqualifies the truth in any religion (even those not yet devised by man).

(January 2, 2017 at 11:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 2. God exists.
You've tried this on several threads.
None was successful.
A debate will not make you successful.

(January 2, 2017 at 11:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 3. If there is a true religion, Islam is it.

This one will be me just pointing and laughing.
What does god need with a bloodthirsty, patriarchal, Arab-culture-centric religion poorly copied from Christianity?
The "if" is faulty, harking back to #1.

(January 2, 2017 at 11:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Anyone can agree with me to debate any of these three. 

I guarantee you I have not just an argument for each but many concrete 100% conclusive arguments for each.

I will only debate one topic at a time. 


By the way, if 3 is proven, and then 1 is proven, then 2 is proven, then Islam is proven.

Look forward to any challengers!

No, you poor deluded, religion-centric person!

If 3 somehow becomes established, it has no bearing on the veracity of 1. Because 3 begins with a mighty "if", an unjustified "if". 1 seeks to provide a reason for that "if". And 2 would actually deliver that reason.
I'd personally go with 2 first, as that will be the Achilles heel of any such arguments.
With 2 established, you can then proceed to 1 and 3 with confidence. Until then... 1 and 3 are mental masturbation that hinge on what God really is, if it is anything beyond a mental construct, at all.
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#23
RE: A challenge!
Even if a particular God exists, you need to get all the details right about what kind of stuff you have to do. For example, Christianity and Islam are both about the same God, and look at how different they are. And they could still both be wrong, even about the "right" God.

Indeed. Who needs a religion. What kind of pathetic "god" would desire, much less expect/demand/require worship? It's such a humanoid thing. Humans are power hungry beasts. You'd think Gods would be somewhat more sophisticated.

If you need a religion for purpose and/or morality, it's filling a pretty big void which most of us don't suffer from.
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#24
RE: A challenge!
Quote:There is a time to doubt and there is a time when doubt is unreasonable and you have to shut it off and take a leap of faith with vision of the heart and strength.

Which rather puts the lie to 'conclusive arguments', dunnit?  If your arguments are conclusive, then - by definition - there should be no need for a leap of faith.

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#25
RE: A challenge!
I noticed that many non believers see "permanent" death as their "salvation". I personally, see it in the same way, because being fearful servant for eternity sounds kind a pointless. "You get to live forever, but because God likes world to be a harsh or dramatic place, you will have to suffer to attain immortality. Isn't awesome?". It doesn't sounds awesome to me.
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#26
RE: A challenge!
Nor me. It sounds shit. I'd much rather just be dead at the end of it.
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#27
RE: A challenge!
Well if the god does exist as per the narrative, he would at least still allow the heathens to chill with the rest of the heathens and will only enslave his own devout followers. Hmm, maybe that's why the theists fear eternity more than the heathens Tongue
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#28
RE: A challenge!
MK WTAF!
Go get your nobel prize and do islam proud, don't waste your time discussing it with us if after all that time here you are still confident you can win...
What's the bet that the first words out of your mouth in the debate will be a fallacy.

That's why I'm a little disappointed with you... All the time you've been here, you haven't absorbed any critical thinking skills at all.
Science is not your enemy. Science isn't peddling you anything. Science doesn't command you pray 5 times a day to it.

It's the other stuff you were born into which does that ...
Just answer one question honestly: If you were born in America, would Allah be your one true God?
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#29
RE: A challenge!
(January 3, 2017 at 12:12 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(January 3, 2017 at 12:10 am)paulpablo Wrote: Number 2 seems like a good place to start.

Ok. We will discuss in the debate forum!

I think 5 turns each is enough?

I've never discussed in the debate forum before so I don't know the procedure.

You should probably know my possition before we begin the debate.

My possition is that there's a lack of credible evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that God exists.

I don't know how the turn system works. 

Your post should be first since my possition is that there's a lack of evidence I have no evidence I want to talk about.


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#30
RE: A challenge!
Sounds like some mighty fine mental masturbation. 

I predict for one person it will be unfulfilling, and the other, sticky.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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