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RE: Do religions represent God?
January 16, 2017 at 8:31 pm
(January 16, 2017 at 11:24 am)Tonus Wrote: (January 15, 2017 at 9:16 am)Little Rik Wrote: If you believe that things happen as per magic and that they control themselves then you are a fool.
You DO realize that you just called YOURSELF a fool, right? Because YOU'RE the one who thinks that things happen by magic, not me. As for your laughable list...
Look son.
Get a dictionary and learn what the word PARODY means. 
Quote:Have you ever seen money coming in your pocket as per magic?
Have you ever found someone who gave you a house for free?
Have you ever seen the sun going west to east?
Have you ever seen people that don't fall down when they jump from a tall building?
Quote:You DO realize that we have natural explanations for all of these, right? We know where money comes from. We know how houses are built. We know why the Sun appears to rise and set. We know how gravity works. Get this... all of those explanations are natural. Find me a natural explanation for god. I'll wait.
You DO realize that LR try to explain you that these things happen for a reason.
Nothing is casual.
On the other hand your natural explanation mean nothing.
What is natural Ton?
Mother nature has got a mind but you do not believe in it so what nature means to you?
Do you believe in a nature that is made of matter?
But the matter doesn't have a mind to think so this nature doesn't follow a reason to carry out
anything.
I am afraid Ton that you screw your mind in believing a world of fantasies.
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RE: Do religions represent God?
January 16, 2017 at 8:57 pm
(January 6, 2017 at 10:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: I noticed that most people in the forum when talk about God both in the positive and negative take from what religions say.
It never came in their mind that what religions say may be totally different from what God (if exist at all)
may think or say.
I brought the attention to this failing time and time again but people keep on falling in the same trap so I
open a poll to see what they think regard all this.
Even if god(s) existed it wouldn't be a god that is man made.
The problem would be like so if these supposed god(s) existed no one
would know who are what it even is. A technologically superior race of alien beings
would look like god(s) to us because our level of comprehension would be so greatly
challenged by the level of technology we see as god like. On the other hand what makes you
so certain that you're own god exist and why can't the others that are in the biblical canon.
So the problem is 1. we wouldn't know said beings 2. we have no basis of communication to said beings
3. all forms of worship are pointless 4. prayer is ultimately meet with silence and said god(s) dont give a fuck
this would mean A. god(s) dont care about us feeble humans and B. said beings have better things to do.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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RE: Do religions represent God?
January 17, 2017 at 6:39 am
(January 16, 2017 at 8:57 pm)dyresand Wrote: (January 6, 2017 at 10:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: I noticed that most people in the forum when talk about God both in the positive and negative take from what religions say.
It never came in their mind that what religions say may be totally different from what God (if exist at all)
may think or say.
I brought the attention to this failing time and time again but people keep on falling in the same trap so I
open a poll to see what they think regard all this.
Even if god(s) existed it wouldn't be a god that is man made.
The problem would be like so if these supposed god(s) existed no one
would know who are what it even is. A technologically superior race of alien beings
would look like god(s) to us because our level of comprehension would be so greatly
challenged by the level of technology we see as god like. On the other hand what makes you
so certain that you're own god exist and why can't the others that are in the biblical canon.
So the problem is 1. we wouldn't know said beings 2. we have no basis of communication to said beings
3. all forms of worship are pointless 4. prayer is ultimately meet with silence and said god(s) dont give a fuck
this would mean A. god(s) dont care about us feeble humans and B. said beings have better things to do.
You put forward interesting questions.
Unfortunately the reality is quite different.
1) It is true that prayers lead nowhere.
Would you ask your father for the daily bread?
How foolish is to think that your father doesn't know that his sons and daughters need food?
These people can't get it.
2) Why God doesn't show to himself to people?
It does but it only show himself to those who do the effort to understand him.
Beside it wouldn't make sense to show himself to people who worship idols or people who deny him. 
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RE: Do religions represent God?
January 17, 2017 at 7:08 am
(January 17, 2017 at 6:39 am)Little Rik Wrote: 2) Why God doesn't show to himself to people?
It does but it only show himself to those who do the effort to understand him.
Can you see the potential for misunderstanding that this view carries?
(January 17, 2017 at 6:39 am)Little Rik Wrote: Beside it wouldn't make sense to show himself to people who worship idols or people who deny him.
Those people are precisely who would gain the most from him showing himself!
Pre-existing belief and worship should pose no incentive for a god to present himself.... "here you go, son *pats on the head*, an award of participation". 
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RE: Do religions represent God?
January 17, 2017 at 7:51 am
(January 16, 2017 at 8:31 pm)Little Rik Wrote: Look son.
Get a dictionary and learn what the word PARODY means.
Sure thing, Rik. While you're waiting, I suggest you look up the definition of INCOHERENT.
Quote:You DO realize that LR try to explain you that these things happen for a reason.
Until we get to god, for which the explanation is magic. Good show, dimwit.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Do religions represent God?
January 17, 2017 at 8:31 am
Bro, do you even English?
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
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RE: Do religions represent God?
January 17, 2017 at 9:11 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2017 at 9:21 pm by Little Rik.)
(January 17, 2017 at 7:08 am)pocaracas Wrote: (January 17, 2017 at 6:39 am)Little Rik Wrote: 2) Why God doesn't show to himself to people?
It does but it only show himself to those who do the effort to understand him.
Can you see the potential for misunderstanding that this view carries?
(January 17, 2017 at 6:39 am)Little Rik Wrote: Beside it wouldn't make sense to show himself to people who worship idols or people who deny him.
Those people are precisely who would gain the most from him showing himself!
Pre-existing belief and worship should pose no incentive for a god to present himself.... "here you go, son *pats on the head*, an award of participation".
Wrong Poc. 
There is a game going on similar to the treasure hunt.
This game has been going on since humans living in this vast universe exist and will go on for ever.
It work like this Poc.
The treasure of course is hidden and those little humans have to find it.
If the mind behind this game would tell those little humans where the treasure is then the game wouldn't
have any sense and would interfere with their free will.
Sooner or later people get tired and exhausted of looking externally  where they thought the treasure would be and start looking within.
There is no other way around.
Sooner or later everybody will realize that outside there is nothing that make any sense so they all
without exception will look within where the treasure lie.
God will never interfere with the free will.
By showing himself to people who like the external reality will interfere with their free will that is why
God does not show to these people.
(January 17, 2017 at 7:51 am)Tonus Wrote: (January 16, 2017 at 8:31 pm)Little Rik Wrote: Look son.
Get a dictionary and learn what the word PARODY means.
Sure thing, Rik. While you're waiting, I suggest you look up the definition of INCOHERENT.
Quote:You DO realize that LR try to explain you that these things happen for a reason.
Until we get to god, for which the explanation is magic. Good show, dimwit
You just remind me those people that wait and wait for the price of the houses to go down to buy.
It never happen Ton.
Atheists follow the same non logic. 
They wait and wait until God show up but it will never happen unless they do the effort of finding him. 
(bold mine)
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RE: Do religions represent God?
January 19, 2017 at 7:51 am
(January 17, 2017 at 9:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: They wait and wait until God show up but it will never happen unless they do the effort of finding him.
What you are trying to say is that when I believe, then I will see. Self-delusion is not a path to finding god. It's a path to faking it.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Do religions represent God?
January 19, 2017 at 8:41 am
(January 19, 2017 at 7:51 am)Tonus Wrote: (January 17, 2017 at 9:11 pm)Little Rik Wrote: They wait and wait until God show up but it will never happen unless they do the effort of finding him.
What you are trying to say is that when I believe, then I will see. Self-delusion is not a path to finding god. It's a path to faking it.
Not at all Ton.
When I say...........unless they do the effort of finding him..........I don't necessary mean that you should believe in Him straight away or before He show to you.
You rightly say that that wouldn't make sense and I agree with you but that is not the way it usually works
or goes.
For most people it works in a different way.
After believing in idols (materialism) for sometime or longtime and not getting anywhere (peace of mind and happiness) then people ask themselves if there is a better way to solve their problems and fill that
empty gap within.
From here slowly slowly they open their soul to any possibility.
Sometime they fail by opening their soul to false teachers but if they are sincere the right and real teacher
will show up and they will know who the real teacher is.
Got it? 
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RE: Do religions represent God?
January 20, 2017 at 12:46 am
(January 19, 2017 at 8:41 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sometime they fail by opening their soul to false teachers but if they are sincere the right and real teacher
will show up and they will know who the real teacher is.
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