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Grow The Fuck Up Already...
#71
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 11, 2017 at 4:54 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:
Quote:The University of Glasgow in Scotland introduced the ‘trigger warnings’ for students taking the class "Creation to Apocalypse: Introduction to the Bible (Level 1)."

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all.

University of Glasgow just seemed like any other university to me.

Certainly not as radical and idealistic as Sussex.

Not sure how anyone can be triggered by crucifixion. It doesn't happen any more and if you were crucified you'd be dead.
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#72
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 11, 2017 at 6:05 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Not sure how anyone can be triggered by crucifixion. It doesn't happen any more and if you were crucified you'd be dead.

b-mine.

That's why.  Involuntary reaction to taboo is demonstrably -produced- by taboo (taboo breeds perversion). You can manufacture a trigger about anything in people, it's the same thing that used to happen, as another poster mentioned, when people were presented with images of homosexual intercours....or even more "mundane" things, simple nudity. Get yourself a binder full of penis, and arrange all your hetero male buddies to take a look. Watch what happens. You can do the same with americans and pictures of people preparing and eating puppies.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#73
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 11, 2017 at 5:51 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That;s about the limpest excuse I've ever seen offered for why a civil servant would suddenly stop doing their job.  How is that the fault of pc or sjw....in any case?  Sounds like a thin skinned cop problem to me.  More than that, I find it amusing that cops would be so sensitive to being called racists, when they don't mind actually -being- instruments of institutional racism?  

The police that BLM have identified as the problems are the ones that beat darkies like hotcakes, or worse.......that's not preventing crime, it -is- a crime.  I;'ll say this, though, you see this as an unintended consequence.  I don't.  The cops are protesting oversight by failing to perform their duties.  It's dereliction, and it's not exactly unintentional.  More an issue of "well, fuck em them" than "how on earth could this have happened?".   The cops don';t prevent crime in the first place, so this all seems like a giant steaming pile of excuses for dirtbag cops, you know, we just need them so much that some dirtbaggery is to be expected and brunted.

Cops are human beings and will react just like any other human being to vilification and threats. 
In Chicago cops are running into dangerous situations. When they are investigating a B&E for instance, people are gathering around them, harassing them, insulting them, threatening them, sometimes firing shots down the street just to make them nervous so they can be laughed at as they run around in fear trying to figure out whats going on. That's not oversight. That is behavior guaranteed to ensure the slow down in the performance of their duties just as we are seeing.

Also, the numbers just don't show that racism is as big a problem as is assumed. Last year about 100 unarmed black people were killed by the cops and about the same number of unarmed white people. Taking racial crime rates and population into account those numbers don't point to racism as an overarching problem. What they say is that when there are millions of encounters with armed police, people of whatever race sometimes get shot. I'm not being flippant about this and am not Ok with people being shot, but again the sheer volume of encounters in the presence of guns doesn't make these numbers that weird.

Again, I'm not saying that racism is a non factor, just that it's not the be all and end all of these problems and that the vilification of a million cops because of the actions of a handful is quite clearly the wrong course of action. Chicago is living proof of this, so it does appear that cops do in fact prevent crime contrary to your assertion.

As I said, I understand the emotional reaction here and can easily empathize with BLM, I just believe that a dispassionate examination of all factors is required and just hating on the cops not only does not help, it actively hurts.
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#74
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 11, 2017 at 1:36 pm)Asmodee Wrote: Man, you said it.  Where my wife works she has to deal with the younger generation all the time.  She's a supervisor and TWICE she had to have one staff spend the entire shift with another staff because the second staff was "Having thoughts of self-harm".  All the time people call in saying that the job just has them too stressed and they need some time.  Yes, it is a stressful job.  You want a fucking paycheck?  Then do the work.  You can be stressed at work and get a paycheck that makes you less stressed in your personal life or you can quite working so there's no stress there and then deal with the stress of trying to figure out how you're going to survive.  Life isn't an episode of Jersey fucking Shore.  I don't give a fuck about your personal baggage.  Drop your personal shit at the door, do your fucking job and pick it back up on your way home.

Oh, excuse me. I'll just tell my PTSD and other mental health problems to take some time off when I go to work.

(January 11, 2017 at 1:40 pm)pool the great Wrote: I'd hardly call opposing this ridiculous culture of trigger warnings hatred. God. Keep this up and in 2 years you're going to be called a bigot and other trendy words if you don't support this terrible cancer of a culture. I just can't put my head around people needing these safe spaces and this trigger warnings. I mean, in the highly unlikely event where someone talks about rape in an event advertised as for discussion of ice-cream flavors -you can just get up and leave the damn place you entitled assholes.you have legs, get up and walk out instead of ruining the experience for the other 100,000 people interested in the subject you damn snowflake. Don't just sit there expecting everyone to coddle you. C'mon. Imagine the amount of entitlement if one outright refuses to do any sort of introspection and expects - no demands - the environment to cater to their feeble feelings and glass skin. Grow up you're not 12 hell even 12 year olds with their lollipops are more gangsta than these idiots hahaha

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Plus, there's a huge threat to free speech. Example: you can't talk about boobies at work Richie! You didn't put a damn trigger warning for that shit! Oh okay Felicia, I'll put on a trigger warning sign. Everybody else: holy shit that company has a trigger warning for boobies what kind of perverts work there?? (forcing people to force language policing and limit free speech. Fuck that man.

How does hearing the words "trigger warning" ruin the experience? What you're really saying is that don't give a fuck if someone with PTSD experiences trauma if it means you have to hear a few extra words. Talk about thinking you're a special snowflake.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#75
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
OFC cops are human beings, but when they put on the badge of the state we rightfully hold them to a higher standard than some random schmuck.  If that's too much to ask, then either they need to be removed from duty, or we need to change the situation we put them in.  Perhaps they should be heavily armored, not heavily armed?  

Racism isn't assumed to be a problem, it's repeatedly demonstrated to be a problem.  200 deaths seems to leave a few deaths out, and countless abuses that don't end in death.  

As to cops not preventing crime....think this through.  How do cops prevent crimes?  They show up after the fact.  People call them to report a crime in progress, or a crime that's already been committed.  They're not a pre-crime unit.  The number of crimes in an area is more properly attributed to socio-economic factors and emotional decisions, not the presence or number of police.  

A dispassionate examination of our police forces repeatedly show institutional racism which leads to reformation of departments, some actual...some window dressing.  This you seem to think can be whitewashed by complaing for them, about how hard their job is. It's a volunteer job. They can quit if it's too hard to be a cop, and, imo, they should. Is hating cops what you think BLM is about, in any case? Who told you that?

I want to point out here that were basically flirting back and for with -why- theres no reason to think that millenials will drift rightward. You;re defending institutions, millennials are not institutionalists (and can you blame us, with the institutions availabe for our consideration), as a demographic we're individualists, finding that we side with the individuals wronged over the institution that wrongs them shouldn't be surprising...it also explains why we don't vote, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#76
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
Never mind the fact that a huge reason the Chicago PD finds themselves under such scrutiny is because they've repeatedly shown that they're corrupt assholes that don't mind trampling on civil rights.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#77
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
How are they supposed to do their jobs if they have to worry about getting called to account for civil rights abuses?  Corruption is the price of the fine policework they do.  

It's Chiraq, dontcha know, the whole country is. Those people™ are enemy combatants and the police are an occupying army.  Enemy combatants don't have civil rights, and their sympathizers are misguided.

Wink
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#78
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 11, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote: OFC cops are human beings, but when they put on the badge of the state we rightfully hold them to a higher standard than some random schmuck.  If that's too much to ask, then either they need to be removed from duty, or we need to change the situation we put them in.  Perhaps they should be heavily armored, not heavily armed?  

Racism isn't assumed to be a problem, it's repeatedly demonstrated to be a problem.  200 deaths seems to leave a few deaths out, and countless abuses that don't end in death.  

As to cops not preventing crime....think this through.  How do cops prevent crimes?  They show up after the fact.  People call them to report a crime in progress, or a crime that's already been committed.  They're not a pre-crime unit.  The number of crimes in an area is more properly attributed to socio-economic factors and emotional decisions, not the presence or number of police.  

A dispassionate examination of our police forces repeatedly show institutional racism which leads to reformation of departments, some actual...some window dressing.  This you seem to think can be whitewashed by complaing for them, about how hard their job is.  It's a volunteer job.  They can quit if it's too hard to be a cop, and, imo, they should.  Is hating cops what you think BLM is about?

I want to point out here that were basically flirting back and for with -why- theres no reason to think that millenials will drift rightward.  You;re defending institutions, millennials are not institutionalists (and can you blame us, with the institutions availabe for our consideration), as a demographic we're individualists, finding that we side with the individuals wronged over the institution that wrongs them shouldn't be surprising...it also explains why we don't vote, lol.

Agreed if we give cops greater power then us I expect greater responsibility and greater accountability then us if not then there is no point because we have essential created a new class of untouchable criminals

As for the job they choose this path what on earth did they think there gun was for show?. What did they think all the training was for to give them something to do?. were they aware they might be dealing with tense situations I sure as hell hope so?

As for racism i'm sorry the criminal justice system in the states is proof alone of this

It makes you think

(January 11, 2017 at 7:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: How are they supposed to do their jobs if they have to worry about getting called to account for civil rights abuses?  Corruption is the price of the fine policework they do.  

It's Chiraq, dontcha know, the whole country is.  Those people™ are enemy combatants and the police are an occupying army.  Enemy combatants don't have civil rights, and their sympathizers are misguided.

Wink

Yeah that's my favorite pro police abuse argument

We need to simply bow down and accept the corruption or cops will give up and criminals will run wild to me this sounds like a mafia Don saying "this is a nice neighborhood shame if something happened "
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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#79
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
(January 11, 2017 at 1:22 pm)Crunchy Wrote: Trigger warnings have always been around but the problem is overuse. Going too far may be having unintended consequences!
I get a warning in a blog about sexual assault as some else has noted, or violence ratings before movies and tv shows, but a trigger warning to theology students  about the crucifiction of christ is indicative of a problem.

So what is the unintended consequence?
I have two sons who are in their early 20's and they are definitely leaning conservative because of the SJW, PC,  and overly triggered society we find ourselves in. Liberals are inviting a backlash and driving people away (like we just saw with Trump) with the overuse and misapplication of otherwise correct policy. I think that creating an overly triggered society is one small part of a problem that will invite a hard push to the right. I think we are seeing that in most of western society, not just the USA.

Far more likely that your children are growing up conservative because that is what the culture surrounding them is telling them is right. Media at the moment has a very strong conservative bias (mainly due to conservatism being a strong backer of free market capitalism), so is politics and in all likelihood their education. No need to point to the bogie hiding under the bed when the elephant in the room is trumpeting loudly.
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#80
RE: Grow The Fuck Up Already...
Isn't it supposed to work like the prospective Christer, when contemplating the Jesus getting nailed to some lumber, they get all impressed at the pain and suffering angle, willingly endured, and then they get all gushy and overjoyed about the sacrifice (of God to God) and then they get all into committing themselves to becoming Christers ?

(I'd think putting in warnings and disclaimers would kinda mung up the whole tried and true game plan)


And then we atheist scum come in and point out it doesn't make any sense, and that Jesus was only temporarily dead for hours/few days, and then the jesus was hideously tormented by Satan the whole time, and maybe even liked the buggery part a little till Satan ejaculated molten lava into His tender sphincter

AND THAT'S WHEN THE CHRISTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO GET THEIR UNDIES IN A FUCKING KNOT !!!
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