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RE: Do you think American soldiers are put on too high of a pedestal
January 20, 2017 at 2:38 pm
(January 17, 2017 at 4:05 am)Opoponax Wrote: In my experience (I used to be a soldier), most soldiers don't want all the ass kissing they get. And when statements like the one you mentioned come from someone on the internet, they're automatically suspect. I tend to think they're from couch warriors who never served a day in their life, but who are all for sending others to war.
And if a veteran does make a statement like that, well, combat arms is where many of the lowest ASVAB scorers get sent--particularly infantry.
But really, if some motherfucker thinks he saved the nation because he got sent to Iraq to fight in the stupidest conflict in American history, well, whatever. Trump is President---that's how many stupid motherfuckers there are in this country.
Soldiers are people who do a job. It can be dangerous and difficult, often it is none of those things.
Out of the millions of soldiers the US has how many of them actually served in the gulf etc?
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RE: Do you think American soldiers are put on too high of a pedestal
January 20, 2017 at 7:35 pm
(January 20, 2017 at 2:38 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (January 17, 2017 at 4:05 am)Opoponax Wrote: In my experience (I used to be a soldier), most soldiers don't want all the ass kissing they get. And when statements like the one you mentioned come from someone on the internet, they're automatically suspect. I tend to think they're from couch warriors who never served a day in their life, but who are all for sending others to war.
And if a veteran does make a statement like that, well, combat arms is where many of the lowest ASVAB scorers get sent--particularly infantry.
But really, if some motherfucker thinks he saved the nation because he got sent to Iraq to fight in the stupidest conflict in American history, well, whatever. Trump is President---that's how many stupid motherfuckers there are in this country.
Soldiers are people who do a job. It can be dangerous and difficult, often it is none of those things.
Out of the millions of soldiers the US has how many of them actually served in the gulf etc?
I know that ~9 out 10 US military did not see action during WWII. We had the luxury of that dense an infrastructure.
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RE: Do you think American soldiers are put on too high of a pedestal
January 20, 2017 at 7:40 pm
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(January 20, 2017 at 7:35 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I know that ~9 out 10 US military did not see action during WWII. We had the luxury of that dense an infrastructure.
10 percent on the frontlines was the rule in most countries during WWII. Rotating, and I guess that must have been the same with US forces also.
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RE: Do you think American soldiers are put on too high of a pedestal
January 20, 2017 at 8:24 pm
The 1 combat soldier for every 10 servicemen ratio can't be typical for all armies in WWII. This is because the total combat fatality across all major combatant armies approached 10% of all who served in militaries during WWII.
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RE: Do you think American soldiers are put on too high of a pedestal
January 20, 2017 at 9:04 pm
(January 20, 2017 at 2:38 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Soldiers are people who do a job. It can be dangerous and difficult, often it is none of those things.
Out of the millions of soldiers the US has how many of them actually served in the gulf etc?
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RE: Do you think American soldiers are put on too high of a pedestal
January 20, 2017 at 10:20 pm
(January 20, 2017 at 8:24 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: The 1 combat soldier for every 10 servicemen ratio can't be typical for all armies in WWII. This is because the total combat fatality across all major combatant armies approached 10% of all who served in militaries during WWII.
Just because someone is not in a combat unit does not mean they were not exposed to enemy action. Modern armies have a significant logistical train and the guys driving the trucks were at risk from air and artillery attack. Then you have air raids where the REMFs hang out and they aren't "combat troops" either.
All of this stuff
had to be delivered in 400' freighters. And the merchant marine, which was staffed by mainly civilians, had a higher casualty rate than any other service.
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RE: Do you think American soldiers are put on too high of a pedestal
January 20, 2017 at 10:31 pm
(January 17, 2017 at 3:25 am)It_Was_me Wrote: I honestly feel like many, not all former servicemen and women have this attitude that they're some kind of god all because they volunteered to go fight a lopsided fight to be puns for wall street. On the internet when someone doesn't agree with my "Libtard" opinion they say things like this "I didn't risk my life so libtards like you would trample all over my flag". I never trampled over a flag, I just think differently than these people and have a more progressive view on things. My question is why do some servicemen have this attitude? Sure good for them for wanting to go defend their country. But in all reality they chose to most likely because they had no other options in life. Now that's not the case all the time, but I've heard that's quite common. The last real war where our nations security mattered was World War 2.
Sometimes I feel veterans think just because they served they get to dictate what others should be able to believe.
You can respect and admire their service to our country but that doesn't mean you can't disagree with them in a discussion. Disagreement =/= Disrespect.
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RE: Do you think American soldiers are put on too high of a pedestal
January 20, 2017 at 11:06 pm
(January 20, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Getting them back to the table is one thing. But if they are already sitting there?
Perhaps, perhaps not. But in the absence of a cease-fire, letting up on pressure doesn't seem like it was working much.
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RE: Do you think American soldiers are put on too high of a pedestal
January 21, 2017 at 12:09 am
Nixon's dead....I suppose you can ask Kissinger.
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RE: Do you think American soldiers are put on too high of a pedestal
January 21, 2017 at 6:36 am
(January 20, 2017 at 8:24 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: The 1 combat soldier for every 10 servicemen ratio can't be typical for all armies in WWII. This is because the total combat fatality across all major combatant armies approached 10% of all who served in militaries during WWII.
It was a rotation system. At any time only 10 percent of soldiers were at the frontline. It wasn't the same 10 percent at any time, and I guess it must have been the same with the US.
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