Proof of God

[vorlon13]

What would a universe that isn't orderly be like anyway?

You might have in such a universe a Holy book that inerrantly records the Son of God being crucified on Maunday Thursday and again on Good Friday.

[Cyberman]

(The folks at AIG attribute its formation to a global flood.)

That's ridiculous.

It's obviously V'Ger.

[Faith No More]

Ah, when you say, "open-minded, honest individuals" you mean, "people that will consider 'magic' as an answer." What we've got is "open-minded individuals that have been presented with this stuff a thousand times before and are still atheists."

Stop relying on the trope that atheists are people that know nothing about the bible or Christianity. It turns out that the average atheist knows more about the bible than the average believer. Hell, we've see this type of thing dozens upon dozens of times, yet we remain atheist. It's almost as if you don't understand atheism.

[Minimalist]

<Yawn> did someone leave the computer room at the asylum unlocked again?

[GUBU]

The existence of an orderly universe containing life points to a Creator.

All of that verbiage could have been boiled down into this one claim.  But is it true?  Does a ring shaped conglomeration of fungus, a fairy ring, imply that someone created that order?  No it does not.  In the same way, life does not necessarily point to the existence of a creator, even in the absence of a bunch of hollow talk about evolution and abiogenesis.  There is order that is created and order that occurs naturally, and there is not one test you can apply which will distinguish the two.

Your assertion is false.

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The Giant’s Causeway, Northern Ireland’s most iconic landmark, has attracted millions of curious travelers over the centuries. Some 40,000 strange, interlocking columns form a “road” of stepping stones that lead from the coastal cliffs down into the sea. The edges of each column line up so perfectly they look like the work of a skilled Inca mason.

Rising up along northern Ireland’s coast is a series of tall, geometric stepping stones. These basalt columns formed during the flood, as lava oozed over the region, cracking into regular patterns as it cooled.

Legend has it that Irish giant Finn MacCool built the causeway so he could travel across the sea to fight a challenger in Scotland without getting his feet wet. (Similar columns rise from the sea in the Scottish Isles.) Evolutionary geologists say the causeway was formed by massive volcanic eruptions 50–60 million years ago.

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/nat...-causeway/

(The folks at AIG attribute its formation to a global flood.)

You know, for a crowd that deal in mythology, AIG cannot even get mythology right. Fionn McCumhaill wasn't a giant, he was a normal stature human being.

[Alex K]

Oh. And DNA; Look at Psalm 139:16. "Your eyes even saw me as an embryo; All its parts were written in your book Regarding the days when they were formed, Before any of them existed.' Written more than 3,000 years before we had amassed enough knowledge on our own to understand, how would you explain that passage?

There's nothing to see here - I would explain it thusly: If you assume that everything was created by God, then it is automatically the case that God has predetermined what we are going to look like, so this sentence is more a statement of belief than a scientific prediction. That learned people in ancient times have seen embryos in different stages of development can be assumed as a given. But - the translation above is very very loaded. Look at the NLV of the same Psalm:

"You saw me before I was born.
   Every day of my life was recorded in your book.
Every moment was laid out
   before a single day had passed."

So which one is the right one, then?
From biblehub:

All my members were written - The words "my members" are not in the original. The Hebrew is, as in the margin, "all of them." The reference may be, not to the members of his body, but to his "days" (see the margin on the succeeding phrase) - and then the sense would be, all my "days," or all the periods of my life, were delineated in thy book. That is, When my substance - my form - was not yet developed, when yet an embryo, and when nothing could be determined from that by the eye of man as to what I was to be, all the future was known to God, and was written down - just what should be my form and vigor; how long I should live; what I should be; what would be the events of my life.

The majority of translation use "days" and don't refer to embryos. I guess if I didn't have a day job I could go through all this pile of nonsense and debunk it, but it's always tough being on the intellectually rigorous side where you can't just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks.

[GUBU]

(The folks at AIG attribute its formation to a global flood.)

That's ridiculous.

It's obviously V'Ger.

Wrong, Nomad.

[Mister Agenda]

Hey Bob your whole "proof", is using the claim to prove the claim, i.e. "I believe god exists, therefore god exists". It is no proof at all.

And some of it actually misrepresents the bible, for example your claim that Isiah 40:22 posits a spherical earth (actually it's an irregular oblate spheroid) is a flat out lie, the passage talks of "the circle of the earth" stating explicitly that the earth is flat.

One free piece of advice, Bob, before you come on here to "prove" god, make sure you know your own religion. Some of us are atheists precisely because we learned christianity.

I went round and round with some JWs on this verse. They'd keep saying 'circles are round' and I'd keep saying 'they're also flat'.

[Whateverist]

You can ask me and I promise to try and answer your questions using reason, logic and the Bible. I like a good challenge.

Make that reason, logic and a Ouija board and you have a deal.  I won't pretend to have reasonable conversation with someone who insists on quoting scripture.  But don't worry.  There are many other atheists here who know your holy book better than you do and they can show you why you should reject the god you subjugate yourself to.

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Looks like Bob is a one post wonder. I'd like to think he actually got some feedback which will cause him to reflect more on his own position. Maybe come up with a less flawed theology at least.

[ignoramus]

So basically the condensed version is:

I want a god to exist so I can be immortal because it doesn't feel right for the universe to go on without me.
C'mon theists, you know I'm right...

Listen to your lizard brain. It knows bullshit when it smells it.